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Re: What is wrong with sword clans

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ezaiahs is not online. ezaiahs
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17 Aug 2015 02:43 PM
Just about every single sword clan hangs onto their stupid and silly rules like its the last piece of chocolate in the box.

Almost every single sword clan that is active or recognized as being good has some sort of insane or completely stupid rule that makes raiding the fort a million times more difficult.

"No Preflooding! PM HR 20 min before you raid!!"
: Is your clan so damned inactive that you need 20 whole min to get ready? I don't think people tell an enemy exactly when and where they attack.
"You need an HR in the server before raiding"
: War in unpredictable, there will not always be a commanding officer to lead your men. If your men are not completely useless then they should be fine on their own. If not then maybe just get tons of HRs! NFC usually has 2-3 HRs at every defense, activity yenno?

There is more but I don't have much time.

Clans like Spectrum Security and Prime Legion are just flimsy clans that does not posses the confidence to defend their own forts without placing tons of restrictions on anyone who raids.


Is it really hard to make a script like this
http://www.roblox.com/NFC-Server-Reservations-item?id=281936487
??

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Veloric is not online. Veloric
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17 Aug 2015 02:44 PM

"sword clans"
"sword"

we know whats wrong with them,

swords suck in plain english.

Throwing freezers at people that need to chill.
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Gbronzed is not online. Gbronzed
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17 Aug 2015 02:45 PM
"You need an HR in the server before raiding"

this is to make sure people aren't breaking rules
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CombustingHam is not online. CombustingHam
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17 Aug 2015 02:46 PM
Lets be honest here
Any good leader is intelligent
Intelligent people would know that more interesting wars happen with complex tactics
Swords aren't complex. Neither are their forts.
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sandnignog is not online. sandnignog
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17 Aug 2015 02:47 PM
'no allies'
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ezaiahs is not online. ezaiahs
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17 Aug 2015 02:47 PM
Gbronzed,
If I have to wait a single second more for a HR to get their ass down to the fort then the rule should not be there.

If a HR is always available to defend at any time and it adds no time, I guess its OK.
In my experience ive had to wait several min for an HR to come to the fort, and by then the clan in question had filled 28/30 slots and refused to defend another server.

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Definitude is not online. Definitude
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17 Aug 2015 02:47 PM
The word "sword clans"


Is wrong.



Spread it like Peanut Butter Jelly. Do it like I owe you some moneh. Spread it like.....
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ezaiahs is not online. ezaiahs
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17 Aug 2015 02:48 PM
Combusting,

Some people like oranges some don't

We cant shoot all the people who do

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CombustingHam is not online. CombustingHam
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17 Aug 2015 02:49 PM
Ezai

Breh, the point I'm trying to make is that there's a reason its a "sword" clan. Because swords are simple enough for their mildly bratty brains to understand.
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entrant is not online. entrant
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17 Aug 2015 02:51 PM
I don't like forts which don't allow you to move at all until there's 6 defenders or some horse crap similar lol
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CombustingHam is not online. CombustingHam
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17 Aug 2015 02:51 PM
I've had my fair share of sword clans. The good ones with smart leaders die out because the smart ones realize its pointless, whereas the more bratty ones with the "U NEED A HR OMG" keep trying and survive

Its like survival of the fittest, only more like survival of the most tolerant i guess.
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HarbingerXII is not online. HarbingerXII
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17 Aug 2015 02:51 PM
Sword clans are passé
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ezaiahs is not online. ezaiahs
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17 Aug 2015 02:52 PM
Swords themselves are rather complex.

3 main sword styles

Each style has its ups and downs
Each style has its own definitive "counter" to another
Each style relies on reaction time heavily

Someone with faster reaction time and with the capability to understand the styles and what they are can easily outclass someone whos "noobwalking"

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ezaiahs is not online. ezaiahs
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17 Aug 2015 02:53 PM
However I do agree that the term "sword clan" is pretty stupid. I also think the term "gun clan" is also stupid.

I prefer "war clan" but if I use that term people get confused. In my mind all clans should war each other regardless if they like a sword a gun a pickle or an apple.

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CombustingHam is not online. CombustingHam
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17 Aug 2015 02:53 PM
I agree that swords aren't just black and white. But they are all the same general concept.
If you look at real wars, its the team that had the most innovation and smarts who won. (And also resources, but thats beside the point)
You cant get much innovation out of a fort thats just a long walk to a console, as you swing your basic sword around, style or not.
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CombustingHam is not online. CombustingHam
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17 Aug 2015 02:54 PM
I prefer "war clan" but if I use that term people get confused. In my mind all clans should war each other regardless if they like a sword a gun a pickle or an apple.

x2
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Gbronzed is not online. Gbronzed
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17 Aug 2015 02:55 PM
"You cant get much innovation out of a fort thats just a long walk to a console, as you swing your basic sword around, style or not."

You can use the exact same argument for guns though.
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Forenz is not online. Forenz
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17 Aug 2015 02:55 PM
this is why there are 2 communities; guns and swords
guns mind their business and we mind ours


soviet onion
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CombustingHam is not online. CombustingHam
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17 Aug 2015 02:57 PM
GBronzed, the main problem here is the map and the fact that the leaders water down war to "Hurr hurr organize and void everything".

Guns AND swords on a realistic map full of choices and different usable strategies = good.

Guns OR swords on a straight line walk thing to a console = bad
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CombustingHam is not online. CombustingHam
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17 Aug 2015 02:59 PM
"Hurr hurr organize and void everything"

What i mean by that is that in real war, the two leaders arent gonna set up a battleground. They are going to fight wherever they meet. Whatever happens, happens.

In Roblox, they feel the need to organize everything and if one thing "Breaks" a rule, then bam the entire raid is void
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ezaiahs is not online. ezaiahs
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17 Aug 2015 03:01 PM
I thought choosing clans from multiple "Top ten Sword Clan List" would allow NFC to have a few sword wars before I started moving to guns..but noooo

No one wants to let go of their preflood rules. They will outright refuse war based solely on this one rule.

Somehow supplying them an alternative script

http://www.roblox.com/NFC-Server-Reservations-item?id=281936487

That does the same exact thing, just in a more fair way, does not satisfy them.

I think its been 2 wars refused based on this, and my third war on PL may be refused due to it..


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entrant is not online. entrant
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17 Aug 2015 03:01 PM
NFC Fort Topixa (from what I remember, Fighters era) was fun to raid, it basically was a straight shot to the console - not literally.
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ezaiahs is not online. ezaiahs
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17 Aug 2015 03:02 PM
Topixa was a straight shot only if you controlled the gates. If you did not you had to use the mountains or go around the fort and use the jail.

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CombustingHam is not online. CombustingHam
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17 Aug 2015 03:03 PM
Tbh, I prefer the logic of "Anything goes" (That is, if it follows basic roblox rules and etiquette, like no hacking)

If they flood your server, they flood your server. Flood them back and take your revenge.
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TheWaIIs is not online. TheWaIIs
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17 Aug 2015 03:06 PM
Could not agree more.


~Nicolas Cage is my Spirit Animal~
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