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Bloodskahl is not online. Bloodskahl
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17 Aug 2015 12:22 AM
(WARNING: This is a LONG post... Skip to the conclusion portion if you just want the main idea.)
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[INTRODUCTION]
Greetings, people of Westeros. What I'm about to show you is meant to provide more accurate information on the Rebellion Leaders' perspectives in this war...

As Master of Laws, I arranged a Skype meeting with Delouse, Winterscoming, and two of their disciples. I did this with the purpose of getting to the center of why these two are unhappy with the crown, to open the possibility of a peaceful solution.

Delouse did virtually all of the talking:
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[SUMMARY]

The first portion of our discussion is just us talking about the RK at KL, and the issues he and others faced by being on the losing side of the war. To his credit, he did make valid points about some of the Crown's soldiers unlawfully RKing and the Hand of the King not always acting professionally in the Keep. He TRIES to use the argument of how Bakers supposedly AA'ed, but quickly drops it, as he evidently realizes the flaw in that myth. (You cannot win a rebellion through battle if the King and his heir had to FORFEIT. And Stannis was not in the line of succession due to his status of leading a different house.)

After he goes onto throw insults at me personally(Usually signifies inability to use reason), brags about how well he's supposedly doing in the war, he tries to use an argument regarding how Tywin was apparently making bad choices before and during the war(Robert Carroll = DelouseArryn):

[4:14:56 PM] Robert Carroll: Maybe now you can understand a bit better.
[4:16:07 PM] Ramsay: Do you know who he risked war with as hand?
[4:16:25 PM] Robert Carroll: I don't know what you mean, Elaborate
[4:16:46 PM] Ramsay: HE was removed as hand for with holding vital information from the king
Information that could prevent a war with an allies LP
[4:16:47 PM] Robert Carroll: Because before he was made hand
[4:16:48 PM] Ramsay: who
[4:16:54 PM] Robert Carroll: I had all of the LPS united
[4:16:56 PM] Robert Carroll: working together
[4:17:11 PM] Robert Carroll: No the king Was going to declare war on a house
[4:17:22 PM] Robert Carroll: because the hand didn't provide him with rather important intel
[4:17:36 PM] Ramsay: Yeah
[4:17:39 PM] Ramsay: but with who
[4:17:47 PM] Robert Carroll: I don't see why that matters
[4:17:54 PM] Ramsay: It does
[4:17:59 PM] Ramsay: At least
[4:18:04 PM] Ramsay: If you want a better perspective
[4:18:05 PM] Robert Carroll: Maybe, but i'm not one to drag others into things.
[4:18:12 PM] Robert Carroll: IT was an LP
[4:18:16 PM] Robert Carroll: A rather strong one
[4:18:20 PM] Ramsay: No kidding, but which one
[4:18:21 PM] Robert Carroll: That's all I should have to say.
[4:21:25 PM | Edited 4:21:35 PM] Ramsay: I do know that Tywin offered positions
[4:21:29 PM] Ramsay: But why was this an issue?
[4:21:50 PM] Robert Carroll: he offered the same position to multiple people on multiple occasions
[4:22:43 PM] Ramsay: But that made sense, no? From what I understood, he did that because the house previously promised the position would become uncertain in terms of who they support.
[4:22:53 PM] Ramsay: Especially the Reach
[4:22:57 PM] Ramsay: That was a confusing cluster
[4:23:11 PM] Ramsay: Tyrells were with us... then they were with arryn... ugh
[4:23:29 PM] Amar 678: idk if tyrell is
[4:23:30 PM] Robert Carroll: No no, Lord Bolton you're wasting your time. The mistakes he's made has put him in the sitautions he's in. Tyrell didn't take my side until he we discovered he is offering everyone the same thing
[4:23:31 PM] Amar 678: he is neutral
[4:24:32 PM] Ramsay: Hmm
[4:24:48 PM] Ramsay: Tyrells took your side...
[4:24:56 PM] Ramsay: Were you also making a claim for the Throne?
[4:25:07 PM] Robert Carroll: no, I was switching back to protecting the throne.
[4:25:11 PM] Ramsay: Odd
[4:25:52 PM] Robert Carroll: The reason I went to the lannisters, is because chris wouldn't offer peace and was forcing them to fight, that is the only reason I took their side, as I didn't want tywin removed
[4:25:58 PM] Robert Carroll: He was merely taking advantage of that.
[4:26:04 PM] Robert Carroll: As soon as I got him peace he denied it
[4:26:09 PM | Edited 4:26:44 PM] Ramsay: If they opposed Lannister, then they would've just declared loyalty to the Crown, no? Whenever atilla was questioned on what side he was on, he merely said he was with you... if he hated the lannisters, would he just not have cared if you too sided with them?
[4:26:11 PM] Robert Carroll: So now his denial is remembered
[4:26:45 PM] Robert Carroll: Because everyone asks me what I'm going to do. They all want to follow me because they all actually respect me. I do things for ALLL the houses not just mine
[4:27:16 PM | Edited 4:27:26 PM] Ramsay: All the same... They wouldn't have stuck around if they figured you were with the Lannisters
[4:27:34 PM] Robert Carroll: They stuck around until tywin tried to f(*****) them over.
[4:27:48 PM] Robert Carroll: But all of that doesn't matter now anyway, Tyrell has a new Lord since then.
[4:28:01 PM] Robert Carroll: As Attila stepped down
[4:28:03 PM] Ramsay: Then I guess that whole positions thing doesn't matter then?
[4:28:34 PM] Robert Carroll: Oh it does, but Lord Bolton, you can take the political approach towards me all you want, you're not going to sway me, this chat at this point is a waste of time.
[4:28:56 PM] Ramsay: M'lord
[4:29:17 PM] Robert Carroll: It's very obvious you never came here with the intentions of switching sides, only the intentions to sway me, and it wont happen, not with everything that has happened, and transpired, especially since I was caught in the middle of it.
[4:29:29 PM] Ramsay: If you're merely blowing me off on the basis of you hating political approach, then you're admitting to not caring about REASON.
[4:30:03 PM] Robert Carroll: No you can attempt to twist my words in any way you like
[4:30:12 PM] Robert Carroll: My reasons for the side i'm on have been the same
[4:30:19 PM] Robert Carroll: This has been fun Lord Bolton.
[4:30:22 PM] Robert Carroll: But I must go
[4:30:23 PM] Ramsay: I haven't twisted your words
[4:30:38 PM] Ramsay: I merely used them to show you reason
[4:30:48 PM] Robert Carroll: there is no reason in manipulation
[4:30:49 PM] Ramsay: But I did not claim that you said something that you didn't
[4:30:53 PM] Ramsay: Lol
[4:30:54 PM] *** Robert Carroll has left ***

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[CONCLUSION]

"[4:28:34 PM] Robert Carroll: Oh it does, but Lord Bolton, you can take the political approach towards me all you want, you're not going to sway me, this chat at this point is a waste of time."

... So, long story short, Lord Arryn, you ACTUALLY think it's just me 'magically' trying to manipulate you with politics... Not only is that childish and irrational, but it shows that you really don't understand what's going on. Your words here prove that the only thing you care about is the throne. Not about the issues that your supporters are facing. I literally gave you the power to resolve them... but you know that if you took it, then there would be no reason for your supporters to help you or Stannis take the throne.

Even your disciple, KingsTradeJr/Amar, who was THERE can't fully trust your judgement:
[10:04:29 PM] Ramsay: Do you think he knew what he was talking about?
[10:04:44 PM] Amar 678: Maybe
[10:04:46 PM] Ramsay: About what was happening, about the logic in our words
[10:04:49 PM] Amar 678: Kinda

I've also shown this writing to KingsTradeJr, and I asked him:
[10:09:27 PM] Ramsay: Do you feel like this is a fair evaluation of him based on what he's said?
[10:09:43 PM] Amar 678: Yes, where are you going to post this?
[10:10:02 PM] Ramsay: C&G, as most group posts go
[10:10:08 PM] Amar 678: Alright.

Thank you for allowing me the chance to share this with the genre... I hope all those who read this will see the reason in shunning House Arryn's rebellion.

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- Lord Paramount Ramsay Bolton
Warden of the North
Master of Coin; Small Council
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Tormentium is not online. Tormentium
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17 Aug 2015 12:28 AM
why shun when you can destroy them


watch out for beach bullies
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Bloodskahl is not online. Bloodskahl
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17 Aug 2015 12:30 AM
Their main outlet for support is sheer rumor, and supposed respect for Lord Arryn... so I decided to help him destroy it.
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DelouseArryn is not online. DelouseArryn
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17 Aug 2015 12:32 AM
[8/16/2015 7:09:15 PM] Robert Carroll: Alright first
[8/16/2015 7:09:19 PM] Robert Carroll: the starting of the whole Lannister rebellion
[8/16/2015 7:09:27 PM] Robert Carroll: Tywin started this rebellion because he was removed as hand
[8/16/2015 7:09:37 PM] Robert Carroll: HE was removed as hand for with holding vital information from the king
[8/16/2015 7:09:45 PM] Robert Carroll: Information that could prevent a war with an allies LP
[8/16/2015 7:09:53 PM] Robert Carroll: Now, after he was removed he threw a hissy fit
[8/16/2015 7:10:02 PM] Robert Carroll: Stormed into the keep and said he's going to take stags heads off
[8/16/2015 7:10:08 PM] Robert Carroll: And was screen shotted doing so
[8/16/2015 7:10:25 PM] Robert Carroll: He was brought to trial and lost which in any other persons case they would have been removed as lord
[8/16/2015 7:10:33 PM] Robert Carroll: Tywin was allowed to keep the spot and rebel
[8/16/2015 7:10:42 PM] Robert Carroll: I myself didn't want him to be removed as tywin
[8/16/2015 7:10:46 PM] Robert Carroll: So I swayed to his side for a time
[8/16/2015 7:10:52 PM] Robert Carroll: But, he Lied to myself tyrells and many others
[8/16/2015 7:10:57 PM] Robert Carroll: promising positions ranks
[8/16/2015 7:11:01 PM] Robert Carroll: And was caught doing so
[8/16/2015 7:11:12 PM] Robert Carroll: After this
[8/16/2015 7:11:24 PM] Robert Carroll: He "set it straight" But by then everyone was rather angry
[8/16/2015 7:11:33 PM] Robert Carroll: Then he said he wanted peace
[8/16/2015 7:11:38 PM] Robert Carroll: I went out of my way to get chris to offer him this
[8/16/2015 7:11:44 PM] Robert Carroll: To keep his position AND the westerlands
[8/16/2015 7:11:55 PM] Robert Carroll: Chris had no intentions of doing this and it took me a rather long time to do so
[8/16/2015 7:12:01 PM] Robert Carroll: Once chris had agreed tywin declined
[8/16/2015 7:12:19 PM] Robert Carroll: Chris soon came to own arendale and was removed
[8/16/2015 7:12:20 PM] Robert Carroll: Even so
[8/16/2015 7:12:34 PM] Robert Carroll: Tywin was placed as King When Stannis should have been as hand
[8/16/2015 7:12:48 PM] Robert Carroll: his first action as king was to try and summon me to trial
[8/16/2015 7:12:53 PM] Robert Carroll: Leaving me no choice but to declare a rebel
[8/16/2015 7:13:21 PM] Robert Carroll: After I declared a rebel and realized my support he attempted to get me back, but now everyone is rather mad by all of the events that have transpired from then until now
[8/16/2015 7:13:50 PM] Robert Carroll: Tywin has lost respect from nearly everyone
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DelouseArryn is not online. DelouseArryn
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17 Aug 2015 12:35 AM
IF you're going to post meaningless propaganda at least share the whole story, anyone who wants to see the rest of the skype chat is welcomed to send me a message. Or maybe, I can show you how Amar offered to throw a fight for me but I said no, theres many things I can provide continue your slander lets see if it makes a difference.
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dildry is not online. dildry
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17 Aug 2015 12:36 AM
Cadet branches DO NOT magically remove stannis's title as Roberts Brother..They do not do that..

Do not bring up the karstarks again like you tried to..Karstarks have existed for thousands of years and are very distant family right now..

I asked my crazy lore headed brother who knows more about ASOIF than bakers or you..And he says what you are saying about Stannis complete BS and is just an excuse/scapegoat to ignore Stannis's claim on the throne..

Also we did not lose a war? How is it a war? When we didnt even fight a single battle...Tywin Lannister was handed the throne..Like a kid gets handed free candy..

We can all say that oh hierarchy dont matter..Say that all you want..Rules dont matter as LONG as they are convenient for Lord Tywin and you Bolton..When the tables are flipped..I bet 100% you would complain JUST as much as we would..

This isnt some black and white situatuon..The Lannisters are rking everyone for fun at KL..Innocents like me..Who are unarmed..They mock every man who doesnt bear their banners..

Thats the type of King Tywin is..Letting his people rot to death helpessly at KL..Atleast delouse has enought men to take control of the place..

So once again..Here I disprove lord boltons point..Dont fall for crown propaganda..They are desperatly trying to turn all the people to their side...

I respect the fact you are doing this to hold on to power atleast Lord Bolton..I respect that..Dont think we are all so dense to not notice your lies..




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DelouseArryn is not online. DelouseArryn
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17 Aug 2015 12:49 AM
Kingoftrades is also no disciple of mine, no disciple of mine offers to throw a match to take a throne. Heres Bloodskhals viable source of review.

[8/14/2015 10:30:06 PM] Preist of The Kingdom of The Storm: Tywin is going to put me on his 5v5 team and Im going to act like im actually fighting but im not
[8/14/2015 10:30:11 PM] Preist of The Kingdom of The Storm: he thinks im my brother
[8/14/2015 10:30:15 PM] Preist of The Kingdom of The Storm: dont tell him
[8/14/2015 10:30:24 PM] Preist of The Kingdom of The Storm: so it's goi ng to be a 5v4
[8/14/2015 10:30:31 PM] Robert Carroll: I don't intend on it.
[8/14/2015 10:30:31 PM] Preist of The Kingdom of The Storm: is that ok?
[8/14/2015 10:30:35 PM] Robert Carroll: Idk
[8/14/2015 10:30:38 PM] Robert Carroll: I'd feel a little bad
[8/14/2015 10:30:44 PM] Preist of The Kingdom of The Storm: dont u want this throne
[8/14/2015 10:30:50 PM] Preist of The Kingdom of The Storm: it will be a 5v4
[8/14/2015 10:30:57 PM] Robert Carroll: It's not about the throne, it's about everything that's happened.
[8/14/2015 10:31:08 PM] Preist of The Kingdom of The Storm: but we win...
[8/14/2015 10:31:14 PM] Preist of The Kingdom of The Storm: it will be a 5v4
[8/14/2015 10:31:19 PM] Preist of The Kingdom of The Storm: I wont be doing anything
[8/14/2015 10:31:21 PM] Preist of The Kingdom of The Storm: I will be acting
[8/14/2015 10:31:28 PM] Robert Carroll: It's cheating tho.. i'm not much of a cheater..
[8/14/2015 10:31:35 PM] Preist of The Kingdom of The Storm: delouse
[8/14/2015 10:31:38 PM] Preist of The Kingdom of The Storm: he wont know..
[8/14/2015 10:31:45 PM] Robert Carroll: Still
[8/14/2015 10:31:49 PM] Robert Carroll: idk
[8/14/2015 10:31:55 PM] Robert Carroll: i'll think about it I guess
[8/14/2015 10:32:02 PM] Preist of The Kingdom of The Storm: well me doing this will have us win no doubt
[8/14/2015 10:32:02 PM] Robert Carroll: i'm not feeling it to much though.
[8/14/2015 10:32:18 PM] Robert Carroll: Karma always people over,and I don't know if I want that.
[8/14/2015 10:32:42 PM] Preist of The Kingdom of The Storm: as of right now your on the team
[8/14/2015 10:32:52 PM] Preist of The Kingdom of The Storm: rob
[8/14/2015 10:33:43 PM] Preist of The Kingdom of The Storm: rob if u want me to try
[8/14/2015 10:33:44 PM] Preist of The Kingdom of The Storm: I can
[8/14/2015 10:33:48 PM] Preist of The Kingdom of The Storm: but I am doing this
[8/14/2015 10:33:51 PM] Preist of The Kingdom of The Storm: for him
[8/14/2015 10:33:54 PM] Preist of The Kingdom of The Storm: to get off throne
[8/14/2015 10:35:20 PM] Robert Carroll: I leave the choice to you.
[8/14/2015 10:35:28 PM] Preist of The Kingdom of The Storm: I'm doing it
[8/14/2015 10:35:30 PM] Preist of The Kingdom of The Storm: bakers,karma,mashahiro
[8/14/2015 10:35:31 PM] Preist of The Kingdom of The Storm: this is the other 3
[8/14/2015 10:35:37 PM] Preist of The Kingdom of The Storm: I will be fighting with
[8/14/2015 10:35:41 PM] Preist of The Kingdom of The Storm: and hes choosing a last one
[8/14/2015 10:35:47 PM] Preist of The Kingdom of The Storm: so I guess it is good
[8/14/2015 10:35:54 PM] Preist of The Kingdom of The Storm: I fake like im helping him
[8/14/2015 10:38:01 PM] Preist of The Kingdom of The Storm: Ok well Im doing it
[8/14/2015 10:38:10 PM] Robert Carroll: idk I just don't feel right.
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DelouseArryn is not online. DelouseArryn
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17 Aug 2015 12:58 AM
As you may all clearly see, this is a ploy to attack my reputation. Believe what you'd like, but I can provide ample proof to anyone that wants it.
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KingofTradesJr is not online. KingofTradesJr
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17 Aug 2015 01:06 AM
It wasn't meant to see you as a cheater,Delouse...
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17 Aug 2015 01:08 AM
I do remember the way Lord Arryn chose to criminilize me for crimes I did not commit, and I ask him, and he refuses to show me the evidence against me or the people charging me.
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Bloodskahl is not online. Bloodskahl
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17 Aug 2015 01:09 AM
But Robb...
This:
"[4:09:15 PM] Robert Carroll: Alright first
[4:09:20 PM] Robert Carroll: the starting of the whole Lannister rebellion
[4:09:27 PM] Robert Carroll: Tywin started this rebellion because he was removed as hand
[4:09:37 PM] Robert Carroll: HE was removed as hand for with holding vital information from the king
[4:09:45 PM] Robert Carroll: Information that could prevent a war with an allies LP
[4:09:53 PM] Robert Carroll: Now, after he was removed he threw a hissy fit
[4:10:02 PM] Robert Carroll: Stormed into the keep and said he's going to take stags heads off
[4:10:09 PM] Robert Carroll: And was screen shotted doing so
[4:10:25 PM] Robert Carroll: He was brought to trial and lost which in any other persons case they would have been removed as lord
[4:10:34 PM] Robert Carroll: Tywin was allowed to keep the spot and rebel
[4:10:42 PM] Robert Carroll: I myself didn't want him to be removed as tywin
[4:10:46 PM] Robert Carroll: So I swayed to his side for a time
[4:10:53 PM] Robert Carroll: But, he Lied to myself tyrells and many others
[4:10:57 PM] Robert Carroll: promising positions ranks
[4:11:01 PM] Robert Carroll: And was caught doing so
[4:11:12 PM] Robert Carroll: After this
[4:11:24 PM] Robert Carroll: He "set it straight" But by then everyone was rather angry
[4:11:33 PM] Robert Carroll: Then he said he wanted peace
[4:11:39 PM] Robert Carroll: I went out of my way to get chris to offer him this
[4:11:44 PM] Robert Carroll: To keep his position AND the westerlands
[4:11:55 PM] Robert Carroll: Chris had no intentions of doing this and it took me a rather long time to do so
[4:12:01 PM] Robert Carroll: Once chris had agreed tywin declined
[4:12:20 PM] Robert Carroll: Chris soon came to own arendale and was removed
[4:12:21 PM] Robert Carroll: Even so
[4:12:34 PM] Robert Carroll: Tywin was placed as King When Stannis should have been as hand
[4:12:49 PM] Robert Carroll: his first action as king was to try and summon me to trial
[4:12:53 PM] Robert Carroll: Leaving me no choice but to declare a rebel
[4:13:21 PM] Robert Carroll: After I declared a rebel and realized my support he attempted to get me back, but now everyone is rather mad by all of the events that have transpired from then until now
[4:13:50 PM] Robert Carroll: Tywin has lost respect from nearly everyone"



Was PRECISELY WHAT I WAS DEBUNKING. That's when you exchausted your ability to reason, insulted some more, then did the whole "your manipulation and politics won't work on me!" act.

Good game though. I was asked to re-do this forum, but I'm re-posting the link.
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KingofTradesJr is not online. KingofTradesJr
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17 Aug 2015 01:09 AM
And blood when I was answering those questions I was half asleep and listening to music.
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KingofTradesJr is not online. KingofTradesJr
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17 Aug 2015 01:11 AM
Wait what is this again way too many paragraphs.
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DelouseArryn is not online. DelouseArryn
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17 Aug 2015 01:16 AM
No, I merely refuse to listen to someone try to use reason to excuse mistakes and then to make this very hasty ploy to attack my reputation. It's laughable actually.
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Bloodskahl is not online. Bloodskahl
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17 Aug 2015 01:17 AM
"IF you're going to post meaningless propaganda"

There you go again with using funny titles for things I do.. "propaganda", "manipulation", ooohhhh spooky, because I'm clearly able to persuade people like magic, huh? You're just trying to dodge the arguments themselves.

@Dildry

Ok, perhaps in the lore, Stannis WOULD take the throne... But I'm pretty sure this genre doesn't follow the lore that precisely. It's essentially a game system. And Robert's House Baratheon had to forfeit, thus they lost the game. That is why, that argument is invalid. Do you agree now, Dild?
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DelouseArryn is not online. DelouseArryn
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17 Aug 2015 01:19 AM
In what world, would the rebelling party take the throne when the king is removed, and the Hand of the King Remains in the genre.
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Bloodskahl is not online. Bloodskahl
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17 Aug 2015 01:19 AM
"No, I merely refuse to listen to someone try to use reason to excuse mistakes..."

Did you really...

So "reason" is a vague, meaningless thing now?

I'm beginning to actually feel remorse as to how much deeper your digging this hole now...
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17 Aug 2015 01:20 AM
u got ur 3===D cut off in the series LOL


Wu-tang forever.
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Bloodskahl is not online. Bloodskahl
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17 Aug 2015 01:21 AM
The King isn't automatically succeeded by the hand of the king, genius. You're lucky it took me THIS long to correct you on that.

The Hand of the King is an office that serves the noble family. It is not, in it self, part of the line of succession.
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17 Aug 2015 01:23 AM
No, Reason itself is a wonderful thing, but trying to use it the manipulate things someone has said, and to justify Admin abuse by the creator of a game when there is obviously no reason to support that. There is a reason everyone wants tywin off the throne. It's a vast majority of things, between the rking, or the hand of the King allowing trolls to sit on the throne with him while massacring other houses. Stripping Paramounts of there Land and Titles with no fights at all. Causing a complete uproar in the community, you're trying to use reason to justify all of that, and it doesn't work. From what's been said on this post it's obvious what's going on.
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DelouseArryn is not online. DelouseArryn
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17 Aug 2015 01:23 AM
He's not only the Hand but the second eldest in the Baratheon family Brother to the king.
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17 Aug 2015 01:24 AM
First off Delouse was only telling his side of why he was rebelling it isn't really a big deal and I really hate long paragraphs no one has time to read for about a petty reason why someone's rebelling and no one should be at the fault here just because it was HIS CHOICE OF REBELLING!!!
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17 Aug 2015 01:26 AM
about why you think it's a petty reason*
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Bloodskahl is not online. Bloodskahl
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17 Aug 2015 01:30 AM
"No, Reason itself is a wonderful thing, but trying to use it the manipulate things someone has said, and to justify Admin abuse by the creator of a game when there is obviously no reason to support that."

Yeah, but I never used it to justify any of that crap... Where you even paying attention to our chat? I agreed with so much of your complaints, that's why I offered you a chance to help me fix and solve these issues. Even the current Hand of the King wants the reckless soldiers dealt with. But 'no', you didn't want to be 'persuaded', and you just want Tywin off the throne, regardless of the validity in your excuses.

Yes, he's his eldest brother in RP. But in this context, the GAME context, he was not apart of the same house, thus not in a real position to take over. It would've meant a new house taking over, one that the Lannisters were NOT REBELLING AGAINST.
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CrystaIReed is not online. CrystaIReed
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17 Aug 2015 01:32 AM
All your bloody politics you lords and high ranks have....

You guys both have good reasoning, sure. But, you're basically just fighting each other right now. Like, if this is supposed to help both of your reputation, it probably ain't gonna do much.

If someones going to rebel, come forth and rebel already. Seven Hells.
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