Universiv
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| 31 Jul 2015 11:45 AM |
I think that a single gamepass should be able to exist in multiple games. This might be called something like a "Universal Gamepass". For instance, the Mad Studio Radio could be a Universal Gamepass for all of Mad Studio's games. Then, if you buy the radio, you get it in Mad Games, The Mad Murderer, and Mad Paintball. This is just one example. There are other uses for this.
Why would this be useful? Well, instead of needing to buy a gamepass for every game made by a group/studio/team of developers, you could buy one gamepass, and then use it in all the games made by that group (you don't need to own a group/studio in order to make these, though).
This Universal Gamepass could also be tagged to a group. For instance, using the Mad Studio example again, there would be another tab on a group page called Gamepasses (along with the other tabs Members, Games, Personal Servers, Allies, etc.) Under the gamepasses tab, you could find all the Universal Gamepasses for that group/studio. By going to the gamepass's page, you can see all the games that the gamepass works for.
You could change which games you want the gamepass to work for in the Configure this Gamepass page. (There would also be a little check box where you could make this be for all your games. Another check box would enable all of your group games to have this gamepass.)
On the games details page (the page that has the game thumbnail and the description) under the Store tab, there would be "Passes for this game", "Gear for this game", and then another section called "Universal Passes for this game" Under it would be all the Universal Gamepasses that are enabled in that game. For example, the Mad Radio might fall under that category.
So, that's my idea. With some development/changes, I think it could be quite useful.
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Universiv
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| 31 Jul 2015 12:09 PM |
Perhaps transferring the data from one game to another is scriptable, like who bought the gamepass, and what benefits they get. But the entire feature itself is not scriptable. You cannot make your own tab in the group, and you cannot make your own category in the Store section of the games details page.
The only thing that might be scriptable is making one gamepass work for multiple games. I don't know if this is actually scriptable, because I'm not an experienced scripter. Please do let me know if this part of it is scriptable.
And this feature is for everyone, not just those who know how to script it. It has things about it that make it not entirely scriptable, so it would be a new and unique feature that would eliminate the need for transferring gamepass data to another game, or making a T-shirt in the form of a gamepass. |
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| 31 Jul 2015 12:10 PM |
| Acatully, the way gamepasses are designed, every gamepass is already universal |
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| 31 Jul 2015 12:12 PM |
OP, you said: "And this feature is for everyone, not just those who know how to script it."
Well then, by your logic, we should hand everyone a 'Twisted Murderer Kit' so they can make Twisted Murderer. The only people who can are people who can script and build it!
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Universiv
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| 31 Jul 2015 12:18 PM |
| Well, by your logic, then perhaps we should just remove all gamepasses, because only those who know how to script gamepasses should be able to make them. Right? No, ROBLOX implemented gamepasses so anyone could make one, not only people who know how to script. If everyone knew how to script every update, why would ROBLOX continue to update the site with cool features like surface lights and smooth terrain. My point is, just because something is scriptable, doesn't mean it shouldn't be an update. |
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Universiv
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| 31 Jul 2015 12:20 PM |
@BunnyCyborg
How so? I've looked at the gamepasses for Mad Games and The Mad Murderer, and they both have a Mad Radio. Buying one does not guarantee that you get it in the other game. Maybe I am using a bad example, but I would like to know how they already are. |
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| 31 Jul 2015 12:23 PM |
| Support, but only if used in a way for group places, and if you were given the option to choose which places. |
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| 31 Jul 2015 12:28 PM |
@uni
Gamepasses are coded into games by ID. So if you use the same id for the games then it will work. Loleris just didn't think of that |
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Universiv
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| 31 Jul 2015 12:34 PM |
@manlol2012
Yes, of course you would be able to choose which games the gamepass works for. But are you saying that these should only work for group games? I thought of that, but I was thinking that it might be unfair to people like loleris or taymaster, just for example. They both have several games that could use a single gamepass, like a radio. However, The Mad Murderer and Mad Games are owned by loleris, not Mad Studio. Likewise, Twisted Murderer and Twisted Racing are owned by taymaster, not his studio (if he has one/is part of one). Therefore, if these only worked for group games, then all those developers who don't have group games wouldn't be able to use the feature.
Now, I'm not sure if that's a bad thing. It might raise the popularity of group games. We'd see more games owned by groups than by users. Like I said, this idea needs some development and changes, and I'm sure ROBLOX or the forumers can work out the kinks. |
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| 31 Jul 2015 12:35 PM |
i guess so
"Dont kill my vibe." Said TheGamingBadgerCinema as he lobbed grenades at everyone. |
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Universiv
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| 31 Jul 2015 12:39 PM |
@BunnyCyborg
Oh, ok. Thanks for clarifying that. Just one question, if you put a gamepass in more than one game, does it show up in both stores under the "passes for this game"? I'm wondering this because when I go to one game, it says "create game pass". So it seems like it would only show up for that one game, even if you used the same pass in another game. |
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Universiv
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| 31 Jul 2015 12:42 PM |
@BunnyCyborg (continued)
Also, on the page of the gamepass, it says "Use this gamepass at:" and then shows the game. Would using the same gamepass for multiple games make more than one game appear on that page? For instance, on the Mad Radio gamepass page, IF it were for more than one game, would it say "Use this gamepass at both Mad Games and The Mad Murderer"? |
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| 31 Jul 2015 12:53 PM |
If we're taking my logic to the extreme, then ROBLOX wouldn't exist. Only people who can make their own website can play.
That's extremely idiotic and pointless, what, taking logic to the extreme like that. That's why I used it to make a point. ROBLOX doesn't promote hacking, therefore they wouldn't make you hack to use a feature.
You see, there were holes in your logic, but you made there be holes in my logic. If you're going to point out an actual hole in my logic, make it a rational one.
You're saying add it, I'm saying it can already be scripted. Let's not make this over complicated and use each other's logic to the extreme. Giving out Twisted Murder kits was a rational example, what with the statements you made. Saying that we should remove every feature to ever exist and make people break the rules of ROBLOX in order to play the game is completely irrational. There's a fine line in the sand between the two.
Now, back to the post. ROBLOX isn't going to spend time and money doing something because you're too lazy to do it yourself. That's a hard pill to swallow, isn't it?
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| 31 Jul 2015 12:54 PM |
My bad, I think I misread your post.
Scratch where I put 'every feature to ever exist' in my previous reply, I guess I misread and made assumptions.
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Universiv
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| 31 Jul 2015 01:14 PM |
Please do not call me lazy. If I were lazy, I would not have spent the time to make this thread and read through all of your responses.
And what's wrong with Twisted Murder kits? ROBLOX has already released several new game templates to help people get started out. There's an infinite runner, a pirate island made of smooth terrain, a city, and a few more. Why shouldn't they make kits? It seems they thought it was a good idea. Plus, they made tutorials last year showing how to make your own murder game, during the time of the ROBLOX University event.
Anyway, it seems that BunnyCyborg says that parts of this feature already exist, so it's kind of a moot point. I did ask BunnyCyborg a couple questions regarding this, and I don't have an answer right now. So maybe the existing feature could just be improved, rather than implementing a completely new feature, like I suggested in the original post. |
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canttel
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| 31 Jul 2015 01:15 PM |
well it should be up to the game owners decision. i would be madder then hell if soemone cheated their way of buying my 10r amepass and yoused it on all my games. this takes away money. |
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| 31 Jul 2015 01:15 PM |
No, the ROBLOX U thing was fine. What I meant by a Twisted Murderer kit is maps and scripts pre-made in a free model, that everyone a starts out with.
NOW do you see why that would be bad?
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Universiv
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| 31 Jul 2015 01:46 PM |
Yes, that would flood ROBLOX with murder games. However, I don't think I ever said that the kit should be filled with pre-made maps and pre-made scripts.
ROBLOX is trying to make building games easier for everyone. Scripting and building are incredibly useful skills, but it's nice to have things like game templates and free models (some with pre-made scripts) made by offial model makers so anyone can make a game and learn about new features. These things introduce people to building, it doesn't guarantee them fame and fortune.
I just don't see how making gamepasses work for multiple games is a bad thing. If you do know how to do it yourself, without a new feature, then cool, you must be really good at what you do. But these sort of updates are to help those who don't know how to do it themselves, and it makes it easier for everyone as well. And calling them lazy just because they don't know or learn how to build/script isn't exactly fair.
It seems I've ventured a little off topic. It's more of a discussion of "should ROBLOX make new features that make things easier for everyone?" instead of "should gamepasses have more flexibility?" I would just like to know which parts of my idea would or would not work, rather than just scrapping the whole thing. |
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| 31 Jul 2015 01:50 PM |
What word should I use other than lazy?
Ok, ROBLOX isn't going to spend time and money for something that can already be done. If you're not willing to do that, then it's not their problem.
As you said, there are free models for you to learn. If you don't even want to learn, take a free model!
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| 31 Jul 2015 01:54 PM |
| Badges too, and I'll support. |
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| 31 Jul 2015 02:08 PM |
You said "ROBLOX isn't going to spend time and money for something that can already be done."
The Pirate Island and Infinite Runner could have already been done. The official models could have already been done. Surface lights could have already been done. Custom Particles could have already been done. Yet ROBLOX took the time and money to make these updates. Why? So these things are easier to do. Many of these updates would not exist if ROBLOX said "Eh, it can already be built or scripted, so we should not add it."
So now I'm suggesting another feature, which will provide more flexibility for gamepasses, and make them easier to use for multiple games. Saying that something "can already be done" does not automatically make the idea useless. |
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