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Re: Regarding VAK and its "Compromises"

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Sencu is not online. Sencu
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30 Jul 2015 09:06 PM
They're ultimatums, not compromises.

You're forcing us to select one "compromise", instead of compromising to reach fair terms, whereas False tried to make a compromise by changing your initial ultimatum a bit; thus he was compromising, where as Vaktus made completely new ultimatums, and makes the war, and its negotiations go nowhere.

A war whose negotiations were finalized, Vaktus agreed to the terms, but wanted additional terms the second Vaktovia took the losing side of the war.

Yet, Vaktus wants more war terms, even though Vaktovia did not manage to adhere by the current ones.
Reference to war term #3, indicated by the third dash:
- Both sides must defend their bases as much as possible during the raiding timezones set below.
From UAF-VAK: War Terms: http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=168812335
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Falsewarrior000 is not online. Falsewarrior000
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30 Jul 2015 09:06 PM
http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=169413845

My thread on the "compromises".
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GoIdenWarrior is not online. GoIdenWarrior
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30 Jul 2015 09:07 PM
Why would he want more compromises? We were about to pull ahead 5-3. You make sense

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Sencu is not online. Sencu
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30 Jul 2015 09:08 PM
http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=168114913

My thread on the "compromises".

Mine is just about as reasonable as VAK's "compromises".
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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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30 Jul 2015 09:08 PM
plus all these "compromises" favor vak

they want to remove server hopping so they can sit in a half-filled smo server with defenders and make uaf raid even numbers/outnumbered everytime

or change the already agreed upon bases for more defenders (harder to raid)
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Sencu is not online. Sencu
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30 Jul 2015 09:09 PM
"You make sense."

Yes, I am well aware of that.

And I stated he didn't want compromises, he wanted us to pick an (excuse me, but, extremely unfair) ultimatum, as opposed to compromising.

Then I stated that Vaktovia and its members wants more war terms, even though it has failed to adhere by the current ones.
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GoIdenWarrior is not online. GoIdenWarrior
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30 Jul 2015 09:12 PM
They aren't unfair you're over reacting to almost nothing.

Look at Compromise 1, it's 2 more people added to the defending team which benefits BOTH sides and server hopping is allowed.

How are they unfair?
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Sencu is not online. Sencu
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30 Jul 2015 09:13 PM
Because SMOII is unfair enough as it is.

But I'm not here to explain to you why your "compromises" are unreasonable and unfair, I'm here to tell you that VAK are the ones refusing to compromise, and continue making new ultimatums, thus preventing the war from going on. Vaktovia makes it seem like its putting its tail between its legs.
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Falsewarrior000 is not online. Falsewarrior000
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30 Jul 2015 09:16 PM
When you put something on the table, your opponent offers a counterproposal, and you reassert your proposal or insist on walking away, you're not really compromising. That's what VAK-UAF is right now.

VAK put a proposal on the table, UAF offered a counterproposal, and VAK reasserted their proposal and threatened to end the war if it wasn't accepted as is. They aren't here to negotiate, they're here to dictate.
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GoIdenWarrior is not online. GoIdenWarrior
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30 Jul 2015 09:17 PM
"Because SMOII is unfair enough as it is."

How is SMO unfair? Because of the spawn advantage?
You can capture the mid point before the raid even starts I believe. Then you get basically the same distance from the base as VAK.
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Sencu is not online. Sencu
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30 Jul 2015 09:17 PM
@False,

we should just have walked away with the victory Friday the 24th of July when they didn't have their base ready, lol.

Why do we always have to be so nice, just to get screwed over by idiots? It's starting to piss me off.

But hey, at least it's all in the name of fun.
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Sencu is not online. Sencu
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30 Jul 2015 09:18 PM
@GoldenWarrior,

I'm not here to explain to you why your "compromises" are unreasonable and unfair, I'm here to tell you that VAK are the ones refusing to compromise, and continue making new ultimatums, thus preventing the war from going on. Vaktovia makes it seem like its putting its tail between its legs. [2]
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Falsewarrior000 is not online. Falsewarrior000
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30 Jul 2015 09:18 PM
It's fairly clear VAK has no intent on fighting this war, Sencu (imgr /0qzB2qj). I simply wish the Vaktovian people could see that.
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GoIdenWarrior is not online. GoIdenWarrior
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30 Jul 2015 09:19 PM
"When you put something on the table, your opponent offers a counterproposal, and you reassert your proposal or insist on walking away, you're not really compromising. That's what VAK-UAF is right now.

VAK put a proposal on the table, UAF offered a counterproposal, and VAK reasserted their proposal and threatened to end the war if it wasn't accepted as is. They aren't here to negotiate, they're here to dictate."

You can go negotiate with Vaktus if you'd like take that with him, I'm just a VAC.

But when claim we dictate? You're over here shutting down servers and dictating that Vaktovia is refusing to defend. How is what you're doing NOT dictating?
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Falsewarrior000 is not online. Falsewarrior000
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30 Jul 2015 09:21 PM
GoldenWarrior, I DID take it to Vaktus. I took it before the entire Vaktovian High Command, yet they INSISTED on maintaining their ultimatums. Do you understand my frustrations now?
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GoIdenWarrior is not online. GoIdenWarrior
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30 Jul 2015 09:24 PM
I agree with the VAK HICOM, you were the one who started all of this in the first place and shut down the servers too. Don't you think they're frustrated with you too?
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Falsewarrior000 is not online. Falsewarrior000
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30 Jul 2015 09:25 PM
I'm fairly certain that their accusation was "UAF's refusing to compromise", GoldenWarrior, when in fact that's a blatant lie.
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Sencu is not online. Sencu
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30 Jul 2015 09:27 PM
Shutting down the servers isn't a violations of the war terms.

Refusal to defend your base is.

You refused to defend prior to us shutting down all servers at RS, regardless of the progress there.
For the 100th time, I'll explain why this was done:
VAK refused to defend, thus disallowing UAF to raid, therefore, UAF decided to disallow VAK from raiding.

It's logical, really: "Treat people like you wish to be treated yourself."
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Ozzymen is not online. Ozzymen
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30 Jul 2015 09:29 PM
I'm sorry, help me understand. We came up with these due to the resulting fact that the UAF decided to shut down 3 servers, in the original terms if a side is caught not defending, the server is simply counted as a win for the side raiding, it however, does not allow the raiding side to shut down 3 servers, 3 of which were close to being over.

Due to this, compromises were being came up with, changes, etc, as UAF clearly broke term rules.

Also we were not losing, given the fact of the shut down servers, UAF would be 4, VAK would be 6.

- Sulvak Syndicate Drake Xul.
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Tsyolin is not online. Tsyolin
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30 Jul 2015 09:29 PM
compromise compromise compromise

negotiate negotiate negotiate

why can we just have a couple terms that are obvious and just war each other my god
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Sencu is not online. Sencu
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30 Jul 2015 09:31 PM
@Ozzymen,

your lack of knowledge about the terms is enough for me to disregard your reply.
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Falsewarrior000 is not online. Falsewarrior000
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30 Jul 2015 09:31 PM
In the terms, Ozzyman, it clearly states that both sides were obligated to defend and no victories would be awarded for servers the other side refused to defend until four days into the war.

You were losing 3-2 at the time of the ceasefire. The moment VAK had no obligation to defend SMO was the moment it was no longer entitled to raid RS.
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Sencu is not online. Sencu
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30 Jul 2015 09:32 PM
"why can we just have a couple terms that are obvious and just war each other my god"

Term #3 states that you must defend your base. Isn't that pretty basic? Yeah...VAK didn't quite manage that.
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Sencu is not online. Sencu
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30 Jul 2015 09:32 PM
In the terms, Ozzyman, it clearly states that both sides were obligated to defend and no victories would be awarded for servers the other side refused to defend until four days into the war.

You were losing 3-2 at the time of the ceasefire. The moment VAK had no obligation to defend SMO was the moment it was no longer entitled to raid RS. [2]
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Fedoratipping is not online. Fedoratipping
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30 Jul 2015 09:34 PM
the moment vak starts losing they create compromises with their base so you can't win
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