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Re: Which is a worse ideology Communism or Fascism?

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EpicRyan52 is not online. EpicRyan52
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28 Nov 2014 02:23 PM
I say Fascism was way worse. Better red than dead.
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Lexatus is not online. Lexatus
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28 Nov 2014 02:23 PM
Fascism is by far the worst
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GetClanned is not online. GetClanned
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28 Nov 2014 02:23 PM
communism is good at times
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craktrained is not online. craktrained
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28 Nov 2014 02:25 PM
better blue than you!
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meto02 is not online. meto02
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28 Nov 2014 02:26 PM
its essentially the same thing.

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macedonianelite is not online. macedonianelite
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28 Nov 2014 02:28 PM
Too broad in definition

By example, like meto said, they ARE essentially the same, but ideologically fascism is far, far worse. Communism is moreso an economical approach to society, being the redistribution of wealth which isn't really 'evil' compared to the lack of liberalism fascism says it offers its constituents
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Castlemore is not online. Castlemore
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28 Nov 2014 02:28 PM
democracy

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thok1599 is not online. thok1599
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28 Nov 2014 02:29 PM
Fascism, obvi.
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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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28 Nov 2014 02:32 PM
Stop trying to pick the shiniest poo.


Both of them are really bad.

Communistic ideals killed more people than fascist based ones...

other than that, yea. both bad
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EpicRyan52 is not online. EpicRyan52
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28 Nov 2014 02:37 PM
Communism is glorious the issue is that it developed an authoritarian government as it had to fight the xenophobic nationalistic fascists. This gave rise to brutal dictators after a communist revolution. The communist countries never created a classless society they just created a militarized society.
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thok1599 is not online. thok1599
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28 Nov 2014 02:37 PM
@Awesome

Communism is a good idea on paper.
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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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28 Nov 2014 02:39 PM
So was genocide.

Doesn't matter how good your ideas are if they don't work in the real world.
I could spend my entire life coming up with an idea for an organ replacement system but no one is going to believe me unless it works in real life.

Case closed.
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EpicRyan52 is not online. EpicRyan52
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28 Nov 2014 02:39 PM
I think the issue is that your society cannot exist when nationalistic ideologies like fascism perpetuate agendas of world domination. You need to combat this threat and to do so you need a strong government and a militarized society. The Communist revolutions failed to switch back to the true social goals of communism and focused on national defense too much.
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EpicRyan52 is not online. EpicRyan52
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28 Nov 2014 02:41 PM
Don't forget that the United States itself became a very militarized society due to the fascist threat.
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RoDuck3D is not online. RoDuck3D
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28 Nov 2014 02:42 PM
funny how all of you are using examples of pseudo-communism. true communism is having everyone equal in all fields, including wealth, power, social status, and rights. fascism gives power to only a few and pretty much enslaves the lower class. communism has never worked because quite frankly we are human beings and we are all corrupt. it will never work, sadly.

going back to pseudo-communism. live in modern day china then go back in time to /\/azi germany and see how "similiar" they are. even pseudo-communism is far better than fascism.
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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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28 Nov 2014 02:43 PM
The flaw with Marx's theory is that he did not understand human nature. He envisioned the lower classes rising up and over throwing their rich and then settling down to live in this utopian society in which there would be not religion, no government, and no private ownership of anything. The problem with this vision is that it goes contrary to human nature. Despite what Marx thought about it, the need for some kind of religion seems to be hardwired into our psyches. The various communist governments of the world have actively tried to stamp out religion in their countries, sometimes ruthlessly so. However they have all failed. People, by and large, just won't give it up. Without some level of central control (government) there is too much disorder for a society's resources to be efficiently allocated. So, you get too much of some things one place and not enough of others elsewhere. (This can also happen if there is too much central control as the USSR found out.)

Finally, when no one owns anything and cannot see any personal benefit to working harder, they usually won't. This point needs a bit more attention. So, let me give you an example. Let's say that I am a laze bum who does not want to work. If there are know private possessions, then I am free to just go and take whatever I need with out doing anything to earn it. On the other hand we have Karl who is working hard to contribute to society. However, he sees me not doing any work but still the reward of Karl's hard work. So, Karl begins to think, "Why should I put in so much effort if Glenn isn't? He's not contributing anything, but is still getting all of the reward. Why should I work so hard to support him?" The end result is that people don't work as hard if they don't see any personal profit from the work. So, the economy stagnates.

So, what are the flaws of Karl Marx's theory of communism? The whole theory. It looks good on paper. However, it fails to take into account human nature. Therefore, it always fails in practice. The theories very foundations are flawed.


And, Uh...I'm from finland

Communism is more warmongering in my opinion

Especially since russia decided to invade finland by setting up a false flag operation by bombarding their own village and blaming it on the finns.
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EpicRyan52 is not online. EpicRyan52
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28 Nov 2014 02:45 PM
I don't like the cop-out that Communism failed because we are all humans and we are corrupt. I feel that the true failure of communism can be attributed to the nations who opposed it militarily. You cannot focus on internal affairs like social stratification when other nations want to annihilate you. Furthermore Communism has a goal of uniting all people instead of isolating countries like fascism does.
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EpicRyan52 is not online. EpicRyan52
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28 Nov 2014 02:47 PM
And humans are altruistic so it does not go against human nature. We are cooperative and work well with others.
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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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28 Nov 2014 02:49 PM
Communism does not work.

It does not work with human nature or the natural order of things.


Communism is 'equality for all' but there is always a small class that keeps the flow of resources and power in a communistic society.


Communism destroyed itself, Don't blame outside nations.
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EpicRyan52 is not online. EpicRyan52
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28 Nov 2014 02:50 PM
It is not about human nature at all. That is a stupid excuse I keep hearing. The failure was that communist countries who underwent revolutions militarized themselves to fight foreign nations too heavily and militarization leads to fascism.
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MRMCC7 is not online. MRMCC7
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28 Nov 2014 02:51 PM
socialism > all

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EpicRyan52 is not online. EpicRyan52
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28 Nov 2014 02:51 PM
The communist ideology expresses concern for all peoples regardless of the abstract borders drawn on a globe. Militarization contradicts this.
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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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28 Nov 2014 02:56 PM
Communism probably failed because there's an inherent flaw in its core philosophy, which is the assumption that a central authority (likely composed of humans) can perfectly allocate all resources within an economy as well as predict with 100% accuracy any fluctuations in the economy.

It also suffers from a terrible lack of efficiency, since in order to keep the authorities honest (assuming they are human and that power can corrupt) additional layers of administrative personnel must be established for purposes of oversight. Of course, we could just skip this part and simply assume the central authorities are perfectly honest and incorruptible. Given this to be the case, we're no longer living on planet Earth since humans are inherently imperfect. Communism doesn't really account for these imperfections all that well.

There are those who say "pure" communism is different than what's been tried multiple times throughout history. In this case, we have yet to discover what "pure" communism actually is and nobody has really been able to define it, although my philosophy teacher insisted it would be successful. Unfortunately, his version of it included the above-mentioned endless layers of bureaucracy while at the same time he insisted this would not lead to higher operating costs for the central authority.

So, simply put, communism failed because it demands absolute perfection and omniscience on the part of a central authority in addition to total honesty and the ability to resist all forms of corruption.

If you believe power corrupts, then you've pretty much summed up a large part of this answer.

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If a government system can't handle pressure like communism. You probably shouldn't use that government system.

You keep saying its foreign countries faults.

The world isn't a pretty labatory where everything goes perfectly.

Democracy had its struggles,

When it was being first developed from Greece, the Persians had a change to totally destroy Greece and their ideas, but Greece defeated Persia off.

The US (13 colonies) wanted indepedence, but GB wouldn't give it to them, so they had to fight a revolutionary war against horrid odds, but guess what, the US won and was its own country and republic.

WW1-WW2

Axis powers were better trained,equiped, yet the allies beat them off, spreading their democratic ideas.


If the form of democracy for ruling of government can stand THESE 3 MAJOR HARSH CONDITIONS

(ESPECIALLY THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR AND GREECE-PERSIA)

I'm pretty sure if communism is a vialable system it could work itself.

You are expecting every government to give communism a chance.

Well its had all of its chances, if you haven't learned in this world, you don't automatically get things, you have to work for it.

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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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28 Nov 2014 02:57 PM
"The communist ideology expresses concern for all peoples regardless of the abstract borders drawn on a globe. Militarization contradicts this."


Is this why the soviet union invaded baltic countries such as finland,estonia,lithuania, and lativa during ww2?

Communism is militarization in my opinion.
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thok1599 is not online. thok1599
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28 Nov 2014 02:59 PM
Communism is a good idea on paper.

Genocide is not.

These are far different ideas, and comparing them is too radical.
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