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Re: A clan that blames their enemy fails to see their own faults

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NewbControl114 is not online. NewbControl114
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26 Jul 2015 12:43 PM
Just saying, historically, people who shove all of their blame onto another person/opponent, or, in this case, a clan, also have some serious faults to not be ignored

As a disclaimer, assuming I'm 'biased' because I'm in VAC is a false assumption. Though I haven't seen the war terms, I think that there's definite problems my officers should be figuring out. I'm posting this as a member of the community, not as a VAC that's whiteknighting my own group.

But let's not blow this out of proportion, because UAF has been guilty of some pretty nasty things as well.

Counterarguments against several server shutdowns as close as 90 seconds to victory at UAF's Red Sandstorm base are almost vehemently ignored by UAF. I've personally seen some of their soldiers, despite being told to pursue the "fun" aspect of the game, openly flaming VAK as a whole entity. Having the gall to say things like "vak is bad" (ShatteredRealites120/Bakuganchamp7, at an unofficial Red Sandstorm raid) or commenting on a failed raid the night before (awesomowderrick2, at the same aforementioned raid), or T-bagging enemy corpses (Bakuganchamp7, same raid), and then complaining about VAK's unwillingness to defend, shows a very opposite intent to pursue a "fun" war.

And, call me crazy, but the fact that UAF has pushed their defensive forces as far as possible into the raider's cave at Red Sandstorm, is just disappointing. The entire cave itself does an extremely good job of bottlenecking enemy forces from actually getting out into the open, and it's not necessary to seal off raiders by having defenders shooting on people who spawn for quick cash.

I would cite that laws 1 and 2 from UAF's code of conduct are being broken by failing to represent their clan in the best light while on duty.

And, again, YES, VAK should be willing to defend more. Yes, VAK is losing at our base. The constant stream of hate all over C&G and in bases is intolerable on both sides. But the majority of the volume of the flame, as well as complaints, comes from UAF. That's a fact.

Instead of actively looking for diplomatic solutions, they are just taking to complaining on C&G, as if that EVER solved any prolbems.

And, to be fair, most VAK HICOM is unwilling to negotiate. But C&G isn't the answer. I doubt UAF or VAK are using any sort of diplomacy to solve the issue, and just immediately start accusing one another of doing things illicitly and breaking war terms.

Both sides are at fault.

I expect to be flamed a lot for this. Such would only prove my point.

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BIoodborne is not online. BIoodborne
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26 Jul 2015 12:44 PM
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lick is not online. lick
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26 Jul 2015 12:44 PM
tl;dr
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CaesarsReturn is not online. CaesarsReturn
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26 Jul 2015 12:44 PM
None of the forumers here matter at all to the war and are just trying to start flame wars for their own enjoyment.
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Hare8901 is not online. Hare8901
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26 Jul 2015 12:45 PM
Ok let's now spend the next week deciding on who to blame :D
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bakugan1604 is not online. bakugan1604
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26 Jul 2015 12:46 PM
if vaktus posted this my care gene would spring out


but because you did; tldr
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NewbControl114 is not online. NewbControl114
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26 Jul 2015 12:47 PM
I don't have open lines of communication with UAF HICOM, so I can't just bring this up onto their table. I don't like causing drama on C&G, but I need people with brains to read what I've got to say.

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Falsewarrior000 is not online. Falsewarrior000
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26 Jul 2015 12:50 PM
I've read your thread and assure you that every attempt was made by the UAF HICOM and myself to push VAK to defend SMO, only removing them when such communication failed. The threads made prior to UP's explanation were primarily made by UAF LRs and Vaktovians. While removing them may have been excessively harsh, it may have been the only way to let Vaktus know that we would not be trifled with, as others have been.
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NewbControl114 is not online. NewbControl114
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26 Jul 2015 12:51 PM
What, so, having coherent thoughts is enough to silence the vaunted arguments that have been raging for a day and a half?

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NewbControl114 is not online. NewbControl114
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26 Jul 2015 12:52 PM
False, you're still ignoring several of my points.

I've also seen chat logs, mate, the way you and your HICOM handle diplomacy isn't much better than VAK.

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Falsewarrior000 is not online. Falsewarrior000
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26 Jul 2015 12:55 PM
Tell me what points I've ignored, NewbControl, and I'll do my best to respond to them.
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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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26 Jul 2015 12:57 PM
a clan that blames the enemy clan for not defending (which they did) is totally at fault
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NewbControl114 is not online. NewbControl114
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26 Jul 2015 01:12 PM
@False

"Counterarguments against several server shutdowns as close as 90 seconds to victory at UAF's Red Sandstorm base are almost vehemently ignored by UAF. I've personally seen some of their soldiers, despite being told to pursue the "fun" aspect of the game, openly flaming VAK as a whole entity. Having the gall to say things like "vak is bad" (ShatteredRealites120/Bakuganchamp7, at an unofficial Red Sandstorm raid) or commenting on a failed raid the night before (awesomowderrick2, at the same aforementioned raid), or T-bagging enemy corpses (Bakuganchamp7, same raid), and then complaining about VAK's unwillingness to defend, shows a very opposite intent to pursue a "fun" war."

Point: Several UAF are flaming and acting dishonorably during raids. In my opinion, looking at your rules and guidelines, this conflicts with laws 1 and 2 loosely.

Further point: that UAF is spawnkilling, which is not necessarily a broken rule but an injustice in any clan altogether.



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NewbControl114 is not online. NewbControl114
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26 Jul 2015 01:14 PM
@Ned

But they supposedly shut down in-progress servers at Red Sandstorm.

And again, I never said VAK wasn't at fault too.

UAF shouldn't claim they're the star child in this war, is what i'm saying.

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Falsewarrior000 is not online. Falsewarrior000
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26 Jul 2015 01:15 PM
Newb, I've actively worked for keeping the trash-talking in team chat. However, I cannot be everywhere at once, nor can I fault my troops for throwing insults against the Vaktovians after all the bragging on the forums. It's disappointing, but that's it.

As for UAF spawnkilling, VAK has two ways out of the spawn and outnumbered UAF in all raids. They could've easily forced their way out of any of those entrances (one more than the other).
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NewbControl114 is not online. NewbControl114
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26 Jul 2015 01:20 PM
Well, I've seen even people in your highest ranks flaming (Oriyana, Acestrum). Do you intend to reprimand people who do flame so as to give incentive to not flame?

Regarding SK:
It's hard when the push through the one entrance and intentionally fire into the spawn, giving people around five to eight seconds worth of a force field to make a decision.

I stipulate that spawnkill of any caliber is unacceptable.


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meankiller7 is not online. meankiller7
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26 Jul 2015 01:20 PM
tldr?
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mrtotempole is not online. mrtotempole
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26 Jul 2015 01:21 PM
did you really take all this time to write this

you're a level 1 vac
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NewbControl114 is not online. NewbControl114
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26 Jul 2015 01:23 PM
"you're a level 1 vac"

Clearly you didn't read it, because I openly stated I was writing this as a member of the community, not as a VAC.

I'm trying to show disconnection from my group affiliation and my stance on the issues at hand, rather than flaming needlessly against UAF for vocalizing on the forums.

And, by the way, I'm an ex-Captain.

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INVASlON is not online. INVASlON
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26 Jul 2015 01:23 PM
Spawnkilling isn't a problem. You can take quicksand passage
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NewbControl114 is not online. NewbControl114
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26 Jul 2015 01:24 PM
Also, 50-70 WPM, this took maybe five minutes to write.

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NewbControl114 is not online. NewbControl114
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26 Jul 2015 01:25 PM
"Spawnkilling isn't a problem. You can take quicksand passage"

They can spawnkill from the quicksand passage just as well.

They hide behind the door, jump in, shoot at jumpers, and leave.

And they do this.

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MedievalGame123 is not online. MedievalGame123
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26 Jul 2015 01:25 PM
OMG WHAT A NERD ALERT
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mrtotempole is not online. mrtotempole
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26 Jul 2015 01:26 PM
you're right I clearly didn't read because this thing is the size of a small novel
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NewbControl114 is not online. NewbControl114
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26 Jul 2015 01:26 PM
"OMG WHAT A NERD ALERT"

"…because nerds like us are allowed to be unironically enthusiastic about stuff… Nerds are allowed to love stuff, like jump-up-and-down-in-the-chair-can’t-control-yourself love it. Hank, when people call people nerds, mostly what they’re saying is ‘you like stuff.’ Which is just not a good insult at all. Like, ‘you are too enthusiastic about the miracle of human consciousness’."
-John Green

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