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Re: why does english have gendered pronouns

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Hesperidium is not online. Hesperidium
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22 Jul 2015 09:07 PM
"he" "she" and "it"

tf, thousands of languages don't have gendered pronouns, why does the most widespread language have to have these
grammatical gender as a whole is pretty pointless
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SongofSwords is not online. SongofSwords
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22 Jul 2015 09:08 PM
I honestly can't take this seriously considering the fact that most of the Latin-based languages I've heard have feminine and masculine words.
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AdmiralPeckett is not online. AdmiralPeckett
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22 Jul 2015 09:08 PM
I prefer "it".


Arguing with noobs is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are at playing, the pigeon will knock down every piece and strut around like it won.
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Iardy is not online. Iardy
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22 Jul 2015 09:08 PM
so we don't have to say their name every time we refer to them

plus it is english, so it's the angsty teenager who wants to be different
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Vineshroom is online. Vineshroom
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22 Jul 2015 09:08 PM
Face it, English is an odd language.


Stupid timezones.
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Slydexia is not online. Slydexia
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22 Jul 2015 09:09 PM
the same reason we have everything else modified to fit different genders

there isn't one
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Hesperidium is not online. Hesperidium
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22 Jul 2015 09:09 PM
yeah the more grammatical gender a language has, the more pointless the grammatical gender is, it's just more to remember, and it's just... pointless and dumb

but there are a lot of languages i can name that don't have gendered pronouns, or hell, even grammatical gender at all
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Hesperidium is not online. Hesperidium
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22 Jul 2015 09:10 PM
"so we don't have to say their name every time we refer to them"

why isn't one third person singular pronoun good enough? there are a lot of languages that have just one word for "he/she/it" and they seem to go along just fine with their lives
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CasperTheGhost7 is not online. CasperTheGhost7
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22 Jul 2015 09:11 PM
In Portuguese, Spanish, Catalan, French and Italian it actually opposite way around.

If for example if I say the word brother in Spanish it is hermano (o is always masculine at the end) while sister is hermana (a is always feminines at the end).

El es rubio. (El is he) (Rubi(o) is a masculine therefore the person were talking about with blond hair is a boy)

Ella es rubia (Ella is she) (Therefore the person were talking about is a girl with blond hair)
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TaiWolf1234 is not online. TaiWolf1234
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22 Jul 2015 09:13 PM
because it makes speech more coherent and clear

"His name is Lindsey" clarifies the gender.
"Their name is Lindsey" does not.
Considering that Lindsey is a pretty unixes name, it's important to know the gender.
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Hesperidium is not online. Hesperidium
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22 Jul 2015 09:14 PM
@casper

uhh those languages have gendered pronouns and gendered nouns (that match up with gendered articles and adjectives)
they're even more grammatically gendered than english
by the way, english actually has the words "blond" and "blonde", and the words "brunet" and "brunette"
blond and brunet are masculine adjectives used to describe guys
blonde and brunette are feminine adjectives used to describe gals
they were borrowed from french
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maxomega3 is not online. maxomega3
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22 Jul 2015 09:15 PM
Are you kidding? English is one of the few languages where every word doesn't have a gender associated with it!

Those gender pronouns you are talking about are mere ways to differentiate a man from a woman and both of them from a rock.

In Spanish, every noun has a gender, and is pointed out when you use the word "the".
You ever consider a couch being male?
A window being female?
What about grass being male?

You think that's confusing, German has 3 gender pronouns in the same fashion.



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penguinology is not online. penguinology
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22 Jul 2015 09:15 PM
because it makes things so much easier

it's stupid to call everything "it"

"it's name is Jeff" sounds weird. "his name is Jeff" makes things much more clear
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Hesperidium is not online. Hesperidium
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22 Jul 2015 09:16 PM
"because it makes speech more coherent and clear

"His name is Lindsey" clarifies the gender.
"Their name is Lindsey" does not.
Considering that Lindsey is a pretty unixes name, it's important to know the gender."

???

this isn't even a problem in languages that don't have gendered pronouns umm? and besides other languages don't have as many names that are unisax as english does
why is is so important to know the gender of someone if you never have to use any gendered words in a language? it's pointless honestly
people with gender neutral pronouns in their languages actually get on with their lives and aren't bothered by it
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22 Jul 2015 09:17 PM
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CasperTheGhost7 is not online. CasperTheGhost7
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22 Jul 2015 09:17 PM
English was based off many words from different languages.

English words of Spanish origin be mesa, plateau, canyon

English words of French origin be facade, deja vu (well you figured that out easily), fiance, fiancee

However Old English was so different than today's Modern English
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CasperTheGhost7 is not online. CasperTheGhost7
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22 Jul 2015 09:18 PM
In fact Old English had similarities with Old Danish and other Norse languages.
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SongofSwords is not online. SongofSwords
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22 Jul 2015 09:19 PM
"why is is so important to know the gender of someone if you never have to use any gendered words in a language? it's pointless honestly
people with gender neutral pronouns in their languages actually get on with their lives and aren't bothered by it"

Well, I mean, let's say you're writing a book, and one of the main characters is describing a girl named Lindsey to their friends:

"I have a friend. Their name is Lindsey. They have brown hair, pale skin, and green eyes, and they're really nice."
"I have a friend. Her name is Lindsey. She has brown hair, pale skin, and green eyes, and she's really nice."

The first sentence will leave the friends with an incomplete image of Lindsey because they won't know her gender. If they've only heard Lindsey be used as a male name, they'll assume Lindsey is a male unless told otherwise.
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Hesperidium is not online. Hesperidium
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22 Jul 2015 09:20 PM
"Are you kidding? English is one of the few languages where every word doesn't have a gender associated with it!

Those gender pronouns you are talking about are mere ways to differentiate a man from a woman and both of them from a rock.

In Spanish, every noun has a gender, and is pointed out when you use the word "the".
You ever consider a couch being male?
A window being female?
What about grass being male?

You think that's confusing, German has 3 gender pronouns in the same fashion."

do you think i'm a freaking idiot? i know that other languages have gendered nouns, adjectives, and articles
and you meant articles for that last sentence lol (der, die, das)

there are so many languages that don't even need to differentiate whether the person in question is a male or a female or neither; besides you could usually tell from context
well hell most languages i've ever began learning consider pronouns redundant because of the way they conjugate verbs, so yeah
spanish itself, for example, can say something like "entiende español", making the gender of the person who understands spanish ambiguous

"because it makes things so much easier

it's stupid to call everything "it"

"it's name is Jeff" sounds weird. "his name is Jeff" makes things much more clear"

you're not very smart are you
you only think that way because you were raised speaking english (or another grammatically gendered language)
people raised speaking languages without gendered pronouns think "he/she/it" in english is hella pointless and odd, and that it actually makes things slightly more complicated
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Slydexia is not online. Slydexia
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22 Jul 2015 09:20 PM
i got skipped
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CasperTheGhost7 is not online. CasperTheGhost7
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22 Jul 2015 09:22 PM
In fact names in Old English are very different than today's English names of English origin.

ÆLFWINE
ÆÐELMÆR
ALDEN
AUDRA
BEOWULF
CYNEMÆR
DEORWINE
EADMUND
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TaiWolf1234 is not online. TaiWolf1234
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22 Jul 2015 09:22 PM
"this isn't even a problem in languages that don't have gendered pronouns umm? and besides other languages don't have as many names that are unisax as english does"

Then why don't you just reform the entire English language? It seems like all of it is bugging you to no end.

"why is is so important to know the gender of someone if you never have to use any gendered words in a language? it's pointless honestly"

Perhaps because you may need to know the gender of the person being discussed? If they are not present, then a genderless pronoun such as "their" is not going to be helpful to discern the gender of the person being discussed.

"people with gender neutral pronouns in their languages actually get on with their lives and aren't bothered by it"

People with gendered pronouns in their languages actually get on with their lives and aren't bothered by it. I think you're the only one that has a problem with distinctly gendered pronouns.
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Nteorvolri is not online. Nteorvolri
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22 Jul 2015 09:22 PM
"people raised speaking languages without gendered pronouns think "he/she/it" in english is hella pointless and odd"
and people raised speaking languages with gendered pronouns think he/she/it in English is required to make sense because that's how we're brought up

if i didn't have enough of the "not everyone lives in your state" game, this is 200x better
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Hesperidium is not online. Hesperidium
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22 Jul 2015 09:23 PM
"Well, I mean, let's say you're writing a book, and one of the main characters is describing a girl named Lindsey to their friends:

"I have a friend. Their name is Lindsey. They have brown hair, pale skin, and green eyes, and they're really nice."
"I have a friend. Her name is Lindsey. She has brown hair, pale skin, and green eyes, and she's really nice."

The first sentence will leave the friends with an incomplete image of Lindsey because they won't know her gender. If they've only heard Lindsey be used as a male name, they'll assume Lindsey is a male unless told otherwise."

why don't people who speak grammatically ungendered languages have problems with this??
like seriously why is it so terribly important for someone's gender to be said over and over and over?
and unisax names are VERY common in english but not in other languages so you could tell anyway
is it so hard to say "I have a friend. Their name is Lindsey. They're a girl with brown hair, pale skin, and green eyes, and they're really nice."
is it?????? it's a couple extra words
if this was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO damn important, why do hundreds of languages not have gendered pronouns and they don't seem to have any problems speaking that way?
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CasperTheGhost7 is not online. CasperTheGhost7
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22 Jul 2015 09:23 PM
If English did not become used by taking many words from other languages, it would still be a lot similar to Danish.
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