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Re: Petition regarding Norfolk City Police Department

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tags1999 is not online. tags1999
Joined: 18 Feb 2014
Total Posts: 76
06 Jul 2015 09:26 PM
Dear Norfolk City Police Department,

I am writing to all of you today for one, main topic and reason. After obtaining Sergeant, I got a first hands account of the higher ranks above me. I decided to do my own research. Every day, I would patrol for around three hours, seeing which of my officers were active and which high ranks were as well. Only a select few were active during a week’s span. Yesterday marked the final day of the week long span. After close examination, I concluded that most were inactive or, did not care for and about the Norfolk City Police Department. I finally decided to take the initiative to fix the inactiveness amongst the ranks. All in all, I, tags1999, strongly believe and urge in a complete overhaul and reform of High Rank’s. It is time for a new and fresh start in Norfolk City Police Department.

Please reply with a statement regarding this topic and a signature:

Sincerely,
Sergeant Tags
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Shadow0071 is not online. Shadow0071
Joined: 12 Jun 2013
Total Posts: 420
06 Jul 2015 09:35 PM
Well, here is my opinion on the current High Ranks of the department.

I always see a Sergeant or two in the city, they are active and I feel as the current Sergeants are doing their jobs properly. I do see officers on at the city as well, roughly 6-7 officers on a full server and usually 2-4 on a small server. The Chief is doing all he can so he's good where he is. The Assistant Chief I see pop into the server frequently to check up on the officers so I feel he is doing a good job as well. The Deputy Chief's though I think should be a bit more active in supervising the City and host a bit more training's, my opinion. Lieutenant Kaiden I don't see active that much anymore so I think he should get a bit more active.


This is just my opinion and I do not wish to disrespect or hurt anyone with what I've stated.

Signed;
Officer Shadow, 1N71.
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MemorableMemories is not online. MemorableMemories
Joined: 29 Apr 2012
Total Posts: 4722
06 Jul 2015 09:36 PM
I agree on inactivity. I myself need to step up my game more daily.


Officer MemorableMemories
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jjlv is not online. jjlv
Joined: 15 Nov 2009
Total Posts: 40
06 Jul 2015 09:36 PM
Strongly disagree. Our HRs are VERY busy people. They have there own life to live in the real world, and I don't blame them for that. But to have a complete reform? That would be VERY silly. If I go down the HR list, I saw every HR patrol once this week. And that's only three hours Sergeant. We all live in different time zones. And you can't just go off of those three hours. Overall, i'm saying to have a reform would be absurd.

Officer jjlv
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Shadow0071 is not online. Shadow0071
Joined: 12 Jun 2013
Total Posts: 420
06 Jul 2015 09:37 PM
Same with mine. I know i'm not that active, i'm trying to get at least 1-4 hours a day at the City. We all can improve in some way, shape or form.
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Shadow0071 is not online. Shadow0071
Joined: 12 Jun 2013
Total Posts: 420
06 Jul 2015 09:38 PM
As for a reform, I don't think a complete reform is needed. Maybe just warn the inactive HR's or just give them a talking to, no need to reform them as Officer jjlv stated.
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iKingMrJohn is not online. iKingMrJohn
Joined: 02 Mar 2013
Total Posts: 323
06 Jul 2015 09:39 PM
Disagree. Our HR's shouldn't be punished for having a life.
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epicdino36023 is not online. epicdino36023
Joined: 30 Dec 2012
Total Posts: 113
06 Jul 2015 09:54 PM
Disagree. I patrol once or more a day and I usually see a SGT+
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bobjohn10 is not online. bobjohn10
Joined: 14 May 2012
Total Posts: 50
06 Jul 2015 10:03 PM
HR's have real lives too, and mainly they do patrol...
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KingRioMatthew is not online. KingRioMatthew
Joined: 06 Jun 2014
Total Posts: 858
06 Jul 2015 10:04 PM
Eh,

Some of us are highly un-connectable within the city so we cannot patrol at some points of our roblox time, So I highly recommended looking twice before saying this.
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iRocktacular is not online. iRocktacular
Joined: 28 Mar 2013
Total Posts: 67
06 Jul 2015 10:12 PM
I agree about the activity but give us at least excuses when there is an emergency. We cant be active through vacations unless you brought a computer but there is also bad wifi.
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PieBoy2161 is not online. PieBoy2161
Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Total Posts: 54
06 Jul 2015 10:23 PM
I have a busy schedule and I'm able to patrol the city every day. It's not a matter of "they have busy lives" as much as it is a matter of "they don't have the care enough to sacrifice a bit of their time for the sake of the group". So this whole, "they're busy" statement holds little value. I'm a very busy person and I can manage to play for at least 30 minutes. It doesn't take much to remain active, unless you're on some sort of vacation. It's very simple, people. If you don't have the time to contribute to the group, then I don't think you should be IN the group. Just doesn't make any sense to sit around inactive, why join in the first place if you haven't got the time?

I very rarely see higher ranks, with the exception of a select few. I won't get into specific individuals, but I tend to see the same high ranks patrolling, occasionally seeing a different high rank. If you really want me opinion, I feel that *certain* higher ranks should have their rank and position revoked and replaced by officers, since they're just that much more active and dedicated. There should be an officer training hosted by a higher rank at LEAST once every two weeks. Higher ranks should also be consistently checking in with Sergeants to ensure that they've updated their inactivity/activity officer cards on Trello.

It's not much to ask, friends. If you don't have the time to contribute anything to the group, I'd suggest you leave the group and make room for someone who DOES.
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SilentMutiny is not online. SilentMutiny
Joined: 03 Aug 2008
Total Posts: 2818
06 Jul 2015 10:26 PM
Hand over your badge on gun. You're fired.


Long Live the Legion!
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tags1999 is not online. tags1999
Joined: 18 Feb 2014
Total Posts: 76
06 Jul 2015 10:41 PM
@all, even if you have so called "lives", you can still dedicate some portion of your day to NCPD. Some patrol never, and that needs to be handled. If you cannot patrol for a sliver of your day, you do not deserve that rank, as some others put a whole lot of time and don't get that chance that all you HR take for granted.
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iFeralCrow is not online. iFeralCrow
Joined: 18 Mar 2014
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06 Jul 2015 10:50 PM
I believe that would be the best thing to appeal to towards the Norfolk city police department.
Activity is key.

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LogicIntel is not online. LogicIntel
Joined: 17 Jul 2011
Total Posts: 252
06 Jul 2015 11:11 PM
The Activity has decreased Since Class 6 came along, I don't know why. We need to fix this and now. I agree with this forum about a complete overhaul and reform of High Rank's.
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Chevyrocks is not online. Chevyrocks
Joined: 28 Dec 2010
Total Posts: 226
06 Jul 2015 11:38 PM
-I am active; patrol every day

-No one gives me the trello link to your "activity sheet"

-Blames HRs for not hosting trainings when it's NOT in the rules. It has always been optional

-I do have a life, so why always blame it on us?

I try my best, and I try to get to any trainings and other patrols. When Chief shouted a training, around 5/40 officers went... hm. I went to both times. And two other HRs were there..

Thanks!

Chevyrocks
[NCPD] Deputy Chief

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Chevyrocks is not online. Chevyrocks
Joined: 28 Dec 2010
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06 Jul 2015 11:39 PM
Hosted the meeting*
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PieBoy2161 is not online. PieBoy2161
Joined: 03 Oct 2009
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06 Jul 2015 11:41 PM
Deputy, sir, you are actually a higher rank that we are proud to have. You're always active, you're a great leader, and you ensure that everything works the way it should in the city. I don't want to name anyone specifically, but there are other higher ranks that don't do this. We are looking at them.
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tags1999 is not online. tags1999
Joined: 18 Feb 2014
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06 Jul 2015 11:42 PM
@Deputy Chevy, I said "most" were inactive. That means that what I stated does not have to involve you.
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KingRyan656 is not online. KingRyan656
Joined: 11 Jun 2010
Total Posts: 1140
07 Jul 2015 12:01 AM
If activity has decreased since class 6, I can tell you why. It's because many of us don't like having partners. I understand that it helps keep more cars at the PD, but that wouldn't be a problem if people simply put them back when they're done. And, most places irl don't actually have 2 people per car, sure larger departments such as LA and NYC do, however they're a select few. This, in addition to a subpar teaching quality that has begun to occur at the academy leading to subpar officers, which aren't very easy to patrol with. An example of the inadequate teaching of the academy is officers using "Code 4" literally as "Copy".
The decrease in activity could also be attributed to a rise in officers simply not wishing to PM their sergeants after each patrol, as this honestly gets tiresome and would be unnecessary if Sergeants simply came to the city and patrolled with us, as they do in real life. I know that this is what Sergeants do in real life because my dad was a Sergeant with Adams County Sheriff's Office.
In regards to the idea of a full reform of HRs, that would be completely unneeded. I agree that some are inactive, and they should be dealt with separately. There's no need to label all of those bearing high ranks as "inactive" as it appears you've done in the initial post, even though you did later clarify that "most" were inactive. Also, rather than trying to be sneaky with who you believe is inactive, man up and say their name. Call them out on it.

NCPD Officer KingRyan656
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Kobruh is not online. Kobruh
Joined: 07 Feb 2014
Total Posts: 83
07 Jul 2015 12:17 AM
I agree On this i always see only like 2 police in the city everytime i'm in the city and we Citizens of Norfolk need more officers to protect us from danger. I think a Reform will be a good idea.
-Kobruh
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PieBoy2161 is not online. PieBoy2161
Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Total Posts: 54
07 Jul 2015 12:27 AM
I've actually seen a different response from most officers regarding partnering. Every officer I've encountered hasn't had an issue with being partnered, and officers have also developed friendly/professional relationships with each other because of said partnering. Also, partnering isn't required by the Sergeants. Partnering is required by the Chief of Police, MunicipalLaw, himself. Partnering allows more vehicles to remain at PD, the passenger to radio in a pursuit with updated locations, and an extra body during a situation where a single officer wouldn't suffice. Partnering is required, and though we accept and acknowledge all criticism since you have that right, it's a requirement that will likely not change any time soon.

As far as the unacceptable teaching qualities and procedures, as you claim, during the academy, I know nothing of that. If you feel that a trainer isn't performing their job correctly, which is actually relevant to our proposal of high ranking reforms, then you should have sent a private message to someone. We can only know what we're told when we aren't present. If you aren't being taught what's right, you need to let us know, and we'll deal with it from there. This is the first I'm hearing of "subpar teaching quality", and as a result, there isn't much I can do about it.

Private messaging a Sergeant your patrol time depends solely on your Sergeant. I, personally, do not require that my officers send me private messages. I'm actively on the website enough to where officers can mention that they've patrolled on the NCPD group wall, and I'll check them off from there. If your Sergeant requires that you send them a private message, then that's what you'll need to do. It isn't for the Sergeants sake, it's for your sake. Inactive officers are going to be removed from NCPD, and if you aren't appearing to be active, then you run a chance at being removed from the department. Sending your Sergeant a small private message, "Hey, I patrolled today" helps organize active officers from inactive officers. If there is a problem, feel free to suggest a better way that Sergeants can organize this information. Sergeants can't just patrol and mark officers as active, because not everyone patrols at the same time. While I'm awake and patrolling, officers in my unit might be sleeping. Timezones are still existent outside of Roblox, and they have a large impact on that. Again, if you have a better system of keeping track of this information, feel free to suggest it. If not, you'll have to send your Sergeant a private message, or risk being removed from the department.

We aren't suggesting that we remove all of the high ranks. In fact, we've actually spoken with a good portion of the higher ranks in Raidcall a little after this forum was created. All of the Sergeants, and a large amount of officers, agree that inactive higher ranks shouldn't be in a position of authority and power, especially if they aren't able to remain active. Being active is quite simple. You log on, and see what's happening. I have a busy schedule, and I play every single day for a minimum of 30 minutes. It isn't much to ask, and if you aren't able to remain active, you shouldn't be a high rank.

Calling out ANYONE on anything can be deemed disrespectful or rude. Here in the NCPD, we have a set of morals and value that we intend to follow. We don't "call out" anyone on anything. Constructive criticism is always welcome, and you've provided your criticism. You aren't going to be punished for it. However, we are required to maintain a professional, appropriate, and mature attitude when dealing with situations such as these. This isn't a witch hunt. We aren't going to scramble, name and shame, and shun anyone based on anything. That's not how the NCPD works.



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kaidenandrus is not online. kaidenandrus
Joined: 22 Feb 2013
Total Posts: 199
07 Jul 2015 01:17 AM
We could have HR's more active in the city. However, Its the 4th of July weekend at the moment. What do you want us to do stay home and not do anything. We have lifes. However, If we are actually going to take action on this some time soon. We can make a activity sheet for the HR's also.


NCPD Lieutenant kaidenandrus
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Rolerain is not online. Rolerain
Joined: 16 Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1340
07 Jul 2015 07:38 AM
Really the truth is that more things are pushed on officers than the high ranks. That includes activity. In my book at least.

So yeah it doesn't matter if you reform them or not.

Just my opinion.


~comedian and city dev enthusiast / rolerain~
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