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Re: on us vs china and russia

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Zygostatic is not online. Zygostatic
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24 Jun 2015 01:46 PM
imo, in conventional warfare, us would win
if it went nuclear, who cares cuz we'd all be dead anyways

"we cant defend it's 10 am on a church day" -tra
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nemanjak is not online. nemanjak
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24 Jun 2015 01:48 PM
Conventional warfare US would win because they'd have the backing of nearly all of Europe and Canada, probably Mexico as well, but it's not guaranteed as the Balkan states are known to be stubborn af and really love Russia, but they wouldn't make a huge impact on things.

Also, there's the economy falls that would shake the world and some nations would look for a way out of the war. I can see Germany and a piece of the EU exiting the war in a few years, but Russia and US would stick it out.

All in all, conventional warfare wouldn't happen it would end in nukes.
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HighSparrows is not online. HighSparrows
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24 Jun 2015 01:52 PM
"Conventional warfare US would win because they'd have the backing of nearly all of Europe and Canada, probably Mexico as well, but it's not guaranteed as the Balkan states are known to be stubborn af and really love Russia, but they wouldn't make a huge impact on things."


- Most of Europe would help Russia, Canada is bad so is mexico.
-Balkans are top fighters they'd solo The US alone no need of allies.
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Zygostatic is not online. Zygostatic
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24 Jun 2015 01:56 PM
canadas not bad
theyre just small to the point where they're useless

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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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24 Jun 2015 02:00 PM
"- Most of Europe would help Russia, Canada is bad so is mexico.
-Balkans are top fighters they'd solo The US alone no need of allies."


LOLNO

The EU has usually always sided with the US, Especially when its against Russia.

France,UK,Germany, and Poland are some of the United States best allies, with that they will swing the EU to help.


Where do you think Europe would help Russia?
Lol that states.


Europe is against Russia right now due to crimea and eastern european states have asked US troops in their country.



As for conventional war, if you compare the militaries of both of them.
(globalfirepower(dot)com)


The US has military bases in the pacific (Japan & South Korea)
The US has military bases in eastern europe (Nearly all eastern european countries bordering russia have NATO/US troops + Turkey is NAtO)
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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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24 Jun 2015 02:00 PM
"-Balkans are top fighters they'd solo The US alone no need of allies."

Like they did during the Kosovo war?
xD
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nemanjak is not online. nemanjak
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24 Jun 2015 04:06 PM
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Like they did during the Kosovo war?
xD"

If Serbs tried to fight the US during the Kosovo war, they'd be called nationalistic terrorists that are trying to annihilate the Albanians invading it. (First invasion without a single gunshot) Now, the bad side is, they're already called that because Albanians are the US' pets when it comes to the Balkans.

"Europe is against Russia right now due to crimea and eastern european states have asked US troops in their country."

Who exactly asked for the US troops in their country? Why would ANYONE want US troops in their country since they're so well known for "democracy". I'd rather have Russian terrorists in my country tbh.
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HighSparrows is not online. HighSparrows
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24 Jun 2015 05:01 PM
"LOLNO"

LOL Yes, Balkans= TOP NOTCH

"The EU has usually always sided with the US, Especially when its against Russia."
You mean the useless LGBT countries with weak asf military

"France,UK,Germany, and Poland are some of the United States best allies, with that they will swing the EU to help."
4 REALLY hated countries + Scandinavian scum so gg.




"Europe is against Russia right now due to crimea and eastern european states have asked US troops in their country."
NO one asked for US troops, the US terrorized and overthrew their governments


"As for conventional war, if you compare the militaries of both of them.
(globalfirepower(dot)com)"
""""COM""""" lold

"The US has military bases in the pacific (Japan & South Korea)"
China easy rekts japan
North Korea has 2m Troops on south koreas border, South korea has 500k.
RIP.

"The US has military bases in eastern europe (Nearly all eastern european countries bordering russia have NATO/US troops + Turkey is NAtO)"

Yes they forced themselves, and if a war breaks out those military bases will be invaded by the citizens on the countries and the americans will be rekt

Turkey vs Balkans= Rip turkey in couple of weeks REMOVE KEBAB
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nemanjak is not online. nemanjak
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25 Jun 2015 08:54 AM
This time the Serbs would rule over the Kebabs for 500 years..
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Zygostatic is not online. Zygostatic
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25 Jun 2015 08:57 AM
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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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25 Jun 2015 06:22 PM
"Who exactly asked for the US troops in their country? Why would ANYONE want US troops in their country since they're so well known for "democracy". I'd rather have Russian terrorists in my country tbh."



Latvia,Lithuania, and Estonia asked for more US presence there.

I don't see why you would want russian terrorists in your country.
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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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25 Jun 2015 06:27 PM

"LOL Yes, Balkans= TOP NOTCH"

LOLNO

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"The EU has usually always sided with the US, Especially when its against Russia."
You mean the useless LGBT countries with weak asf military

German,French, and British militaries are more up to date than Russia's, russia still uses old soviet technology for their medium core military, I don't see how 'useless LGBT countries' has to do anything with it'
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"France,UK,Germany, and Poland are some of the United States best allies, with that they will swing the EU to help."
4 REALLY hated countries + Scandinavian scum so gg.

France,UK,Germany, and Poland aren't hated countries?...France,UK,Germany are the leading economies in Europe, and Scandinavia never did anything to anyone, gg m8.
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"Europe is against Russia right now due to crimea and eastern european states have asked US troops in their country."
NO one asked for US troops, the US terrorized and overthrew their governments

Lithuania, and Latvia asked for more US troops, Even if you go on their local news channals you see that they signed an agreement for some US Detachments in those countries.


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"The US has military bases in the pacific (Japan & South Korea)"
China easy rekts japan
North Korea has 2m Troops on south koreas border, South korea has 500k.
RIP.


North Korea has had no conventional warfare experience outside of late world war 2.
Not to mention due to trade restrictions THEY STILL HAVE CRAPPY TECHNOLOGY


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"The US has military bases in eastern europe (Nearly all eastern european countries bordering russia have NATO/US troops + Turkey is NAtO)"

Yes they forced themselves, and if a war breaks out those military bases will be invaded by the citizens on the countries and the americans will be rekt

Lolsure
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"Turkey vs Balkans= Rip turkey in couple of weeks REMOVE KEBAB"


Turkey has the 9th best military in the world...the only country in the balkans that would stand a chance is Greece, and even they are going through horrible economic crisises.
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nemanjak is not online. nemanjak
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26 Jun 2015 06:06 AM
"the only country in the balkans that would stand a chance is Greece, and even they are going through horrible economic crisises."

You clearly haven't faced all the Balkan states united... (Croatia excluded they keep betraying us)
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British2004 is not online. British2004
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26 Jun 2015 06:11 AM
Canada's pretty strong, but they're all about that peaceful crap stuff. They wouldn't back up the US most likely.
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Zygostatic is not online. Zygostatic
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26 Jun 2015 08:39 AM
"Canada's pretty strong, but they're all about that peaceful crap stuff. They wouldn't back up the US most likely."

We have a strong military, but it's too small to do anything, realistically. But I'm certain that we would back up the US, especially if Britain took our side, since Canada is part of the commonwealth.

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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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26 Jun 2015 09:54 AM
@British2004

The canadians usually back up with whatever the USA is doing.

Even so if there is a threat to the United States, its a threat to canada.

During the cold war the US and canada signed the 'Joint Northern Defense Pact'
Which allowed US troops to go to canadian cities incase of a russian invasion.

That pact is still relevant today and the US and canada still do joint patrol exercises.


Alot of canadian citizens who want to seek a military career usually get a US citizenship and serve in the US military or in a joint force.

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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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26 Jun 2015 09:55 AM
"You clearly haven't faced all the Balkan states united... (Croatia excluded they keep betraying us)"


All the balkan states combined wouldn't make a different...
Turkey can defeat all of them by pure military statistics..


The Kosovo war was enough of that..
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nemanjak is not online. nemanjak
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26 Jun 2015 11:12 AM
"Turkey can defeat all of them by pure military statistics.."


Tell that to the 13 divisions that were stuck on the Balkan during WWII.
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26 Jun 2015 11:13 AM
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HighSparrows is not online. HighSparrows
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26 Jun 2015 11:24 AM
No general, you are
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WisdomRider is not online. WisdomRider
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26 Jun 2015 11:30 AM
"Turkey can defeat all of them by pure military statistics.."


Tell that to the 13 divisions that were stuck on the Balkan during WWII. [2]

Also, Turkey keeps violating Greece's airspace and they keep getting driven of by the airforce, every time.

There weren't few times that the Turks engaged in dog fights and lost.
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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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26 Jun 2015 01:09 PM
"Tell that to the 13 divisions that were stuck on the Balkan during WWII."

That was world war 2, not even modern.


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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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26 Jun 2015 01:10 PM
"Also, Turkey keeps violating Greece's airspace and they keep getting driven of by the airforce, every time.

There weren't few times that the Turks engaged in dog fights and lost."


Violating airspaces is pretty common.


Even Finland chases Russia out of its airspace when Russia wants to do snooping.



These so called antidotes don't contribute to the argument.
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nemanjak is not online. nemanjak
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26 Jun 2015 02:39 PM
"That was world war 2, not even modern."

You made it look like Turkey was the only one who technologically evolved
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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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26 Jun 2015 08:34 PM
Greece, and all of the other balkan states don't have nearly as many tanks, jets, naval vessels or even active military personnel as turkey currently as.

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