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Re: VAK used to be good and lived up to it's reputation

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Milnaria is not online. Milnaria
Joined: 29 Apr 2014
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13 Jun 2015 07:30 PM
Until you ignorant and incoherent newbags and srubs took over the generations and degraded VAK and flamed them just because you couldn't have it your way.

Just think of this, VAK was created right when roblox added clans. They fought several wars respectfully and gained a name for themselves. My point is, VAK IS the only group that is still talked about to this current day and is still active. Sure they have done indecent things at a few points, but what has your clan done compared to them?

>Practically nothing. That's right VOID.
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UnstableEmotions is not online. UnstableEmotions
Joined: 27 Aug 2011
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13 Jun 2015 07:31 PM
VOIDs arguments are always.....void.......OOOOOOO!O!!!!!
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Soroff is not online. Soroff
Joined: 26 Jul 2012
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13 Jun 2015 07:32 PM
yeah have fun with your irrelevant content deleted group
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LordIntense is not online. LordIntense
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13 Jun 2015 07:33 PM
This may be the most relevant thing on c&g


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sel200 is not online. sel200
Joined: 12 Mar 2011
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13 Jun 2015 07:35 PM
Why are all your posts about VOID? Ahw did someone get rejected :( Lol stop riding VAK
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Aerixus is not online. Aerixus
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13 Jun 2015 07:43 PM
Enlist in H Y P E today.



Glory.
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reblex6122 is not online. reblex6122
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13 Jun 2015 07:44 PM
lmao
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HeroMaster is not online. HeroMaster
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13 Jun 2015 07:45 PM
Considering you're uninformed enough to believe that roblox created clans, nothing you say really has any merit, Mil.

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gunnerycaptainprice is online. gunnerycaptainprice
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13 Jun 2015 07:45 PM
While he is correct about VAK being a really REALLY old group that's still relevant to today, I just want to point out he's flamed VAK a lot and was on TGI's side during that war.
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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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13 Jun 2015 07:49 PM
they may have "respectfully" warred before but they stayed at the "top" through unfair/dirty tactics

there are NO excuses for that kind of behavior. they remain at the "top" by doing so, then other clans do it because they aspire to be as "powerful" as vak. vak is one of the reasons that the popularization of dirty tactics came about (a.k.a doing anything to hold your title/reputation)
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888min3 is not online. 888min3
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13 Jun 2015 07:50 PM
VAK will always be talked about on C&G no matter what.
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Astrochemistry is not online. Astrochemistry
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13 Jun 2015 07:51 PM
Neder is like that crazy ex that tries to make your life a living hell.

(jokes don't hurt!!!)
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TheStalinator is not online. TheStalinator
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13 Jun 2015 07:54 PM
neder you act like vak is the only clan in the history of ever that has had shady parts of their history before

vak-void skirmish i dont even call a war because of how many cheapshots were used by both sides, but i'll openly say there was more fault with us. that doesnt mean void didnt have any dirt on them either.

you are taking the most recent events from vak's history and using them as the baseline for everything vak has done

you cherry pick things in our history that make us look bad, yet there are just as many if not more good things we have done too

stop cherry picking and generally stop having the close minded "VAK IS HORRIBLE LOL" mindset
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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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13 Jun 2015 07:55 PM
astro u cant deny that vak won some of its wars by using dirty/cheap tactics

then when clans look up to those "powerful" clans, they often copy them so they could one day be like them

a.k.a. the spread of doing anything to win

which is basically the rut the clan world is stuck in right now, along with clans never going to war to preserve their reputation
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spartacan1 is not online. spartacan1
Joined: 16 Jul 2009
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13 Jun 2015 07:56 PM
this is just wrong
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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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13 Jun 2015 07:57 PM
@thestal

i already recognized that while ur past may have "respectful" wars, it doesnt matter

this is the present, and what vak has done to the closest point in the present is inexcusable for a "powerful" clan

clans look up to vak/aspire to be them because they view them as powerful, but if vak is using dirty tactics to remain "powerful" and undefeated, how do you think those lower clans are going to act?
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Milnaria is not online. Milnaria
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13 Jun 2015 07:59 PM
I was on TGI's side?

LOL I was the 2ic of Unity AGAINST TGI
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TheStalinator is not online. TheStalinator
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13 Jun 2015 08:01 PM
you act like we hold the fate of all clans in the palm of our hand

again, the reason clans even look up to us is because of the legacy we've built through the years

that legacy is the reason it is such a shocker whenever we lose a raid or a defense that needs to be spammed through c&g, or when we use 'cheap and dirty tactics'.

if you took a scale of all of the 'cheap and dirty tactics' we have done and weighed them against the times we've impressed, proved wrong, fought with honor, surprised, and generally lived up to our legacy, the things you speak of are nearly irrelevant

externally vak looks like a horrible falling dying clan
internally it is actually a lot better

but who am i kidding, you dont care anyway
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Milnaria is not online. Milnaria
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13 Jun 2015 08:02 PM
And neder, your in FC

Are you REALLY that butthurt VAK won against FC
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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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13 Jun 2015 08:03 PM
@mil

yeah cuz fc being ahead in war score and vak calling 2 cease fires is totally vak winning
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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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13 Jun 2015 08:05 PM
no no i dont have anything really against your "legacy"

you got to the top at one point, but the way vak has stayed there is just plain not right

i mean the last few wars (el, void, etc.), is that really how vak holds the "top"?

we dont just flame vak randomly, vak gets flamed because of their actions to remain "powerful"
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TheStalinator is not online. TheStalinator
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13 Jun 2015 08:05 PM
wasnt there for either FC wars, didnt stay up to speed on them, both sides are going to claim victory so its irrelevant, but isnt fc accepting a ceasefire, kinda accepting a ceasefire? its the same as void 'WE WON THE WAR' yet they called it off

anywho, continue
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Astrochemistry is not online. Astrochemistry
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13 Jun 2015 08:06 PM
-sigh-

I wasn't denying anything, neither or was I looking to engage in this discussion. Fact is, we've employed tactics that are completely gratuitous in means of war, and we can't change anything about that. However, I don't believe it's right that you go around talking about how bad Vaktovia is because you've heard one side.

The only war I've seen us do such horrendous tactics is our war with The Grand Imperium, and our attempted war with Frost Clan. Other than that, it was just a few refusals to defend, negotiation troubles or usage of a pistol to protest. Might I add on, some of the things the clans have said about in our past wars have been biased.

Yes, the Vaktovian HICOM has made some terrible choices in war, but there have been attempts to fix them. An example would be when we offered to fight at Varcia to The Grand Imperium.
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Qivr is not online. Qivr
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13 Jun 2015 08:06 PM
VAK is no longer relevant imo
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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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13 Jun 2015 08:11 PM
yeah but i dont count refusals to defend as a "minor" offense

it happened more than a few and its a shame to see vak members even coming onto c&g and blatantly stating that they don't defend empty server raids

yet when you take a look at how vak raids, they flood servers as well

now, im not saying there is anything wrong with flooding servers, we all do it, but the fact that vak would not defend something they do themselves is what frustrates me

but when you take these examples from vak's wars, people then copy these behaviors because they wish to become like vak (or a powerful clan in the minds of people), thus the spread of these tactics increase

i mean clans literally dont even serve their purpose as /war/ clans anymore simply because they are too afraid of losing their reputation in war, and in my mind, i think a part of that stems from vak/clans aspiring to be like them

now, im not saying vak is super bad/unskilled, but i just dont think vak should be recognized at the "top" of clans simply because of their actions in war
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