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swords vs guns: the objective fact

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Skyman772 is not online. Skyman772
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09 Jun 2015 09:12 AM
swords are EASIER and SIMPLER than guns and as a result of this, a large fraction of the clans community prefer them because they're easier to use, easier to make and easier to win with.

this does NOT make them better: it makes them more CONVENIENT.

guns are better, objectively, and why?

this is why:
- more open to creative modification, and as a result there is a variety option;
- more room to create tactics and as a result, it is more engaging;
- you actually get an advantage from practising with guns as you learn new skills and crucial elements become muscle memory - swords are entirely dependant on luck;

"BUT SKY SWORDS REQUIRE REACTION TIME"

and guns don't?

"BUT SKY SWORDS ARE MORE FUN"

maybe for you, but that doesn't mean they're any better than guns - that is your subjective opinion, not an objective fact, and therefore can not be applied to this argument as it is the embodiment of personal bias.

GUNS > SWORDS

that's IT.

no debate necessary.
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Runite is not online. Runite
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09 Jun 2015 09:15 AM
You're also forgetting the fact that most of the clans here don't have gun developers like they used to. Swords in return have become more prominent.
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Kobertum is not online. Kobertum
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09 Jun 2015 09:15 AM
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Skyman772 is not online. Skyman772
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09 Jun 2015 09:16 AM
that doesn't make them better, it makes them more convenient.

if anything, that's an argument FOR guns, because that means that more work and effort has to be put into your development and more dev quality is applied to guns

swords are essentially a cop out

guns clans can get swords easily

but sword clans can't get guns, otherwise they wouldn't be sword clans

gives gun clans a very strong advantage, you see?
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09 Jun 2015 09:17 AM
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Skyman772 is not online. Skyman772
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09 Jun 2015 09:17 AM
kobertam can you not
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Kobertum is not online. Kobertum
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09 Jun 2015 09:17 AM
sorry skyman
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Alexander0312 is not online. Alexander0312
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09 Jun 2015 09:18 AM
"swords are entirely dependant on luck"

once you said this, I didn't care to read the rest and will stamp this as a bait

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xSnowBear is not online. xSnowBear
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09 Jun 2015 09:19 AM
FACTS
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Skyman772 is not online. Skyman772
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09 Jun 2015 09:19 AM
alexander it is though

the variables are as follows:
- the amount of lag the two fighters experience (either server or client);
- the reaction time of the fighters (which is largely dependant on FPS);

that's the bottom line, really

it's not about being skilled, it's about hoping your opponent doesn't have a worse graphics card or internet speed than you
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Alexander0312 is not online. Alexander0312
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09 Jun 2015 09:20 AM
and I still put this as bait

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LordAstros is not online. LordAstros
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09 Jun 2015 09:21 AM
There is no debate, you're right.
Everyone has their own preferences on whether swords or guns are better.

I prefer swords over guns any day.
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Skyman772 is not online. Skyman772
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09 Jun 2015 09:21 AM
show me the LIE, alexander

instead of calling it bait, SHOW me the lie

ENLIGHTEN me with your abundant wisdom

TELL me why i'm wrong

i've got an open mind to opinions, but i won't budge on facts
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Undecrypted is not online. Undecrypted
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09 Jun 2015 09:24 AM
Undeniably, guns require more teamwork and tactical prowess than swords.
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Desolade is not online. Desolade
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09 Jun 2015 09:25 AM
all there is in sword only forts is flinging and people running away from you faster than mayweather


on top of all of that, all you need is numbers to win, that's why Skilled Force is the best sfing clan because they're the most active, they're not necessarily good sword fighters
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Alexander0312 is not online. Alexander0312
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09 Jun 2015 09:25 AM
You are saying that SF'ing will only be about "who lags the most". By saying this I refuse to actually try to argue with you.

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Skyman772 is not online. Skyman772
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09 Jun 2015 09:26 AM
alexander you're not answering me

WHERE IS THE LIE

WHERE IS IT

ISOLATE IT

SHOW ME THE TRUTH

SET ME FREE WITH THE TRUTH
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ywis is not online. ywis
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09 Jun 2015 09:27 AM
It't not entirely based on luck, it takes knowledge to know what move you have to do in order to ensure survival.
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Alexander0312 is not online. Alexander0312
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09 Jun 2015 09:28 AM
here is the lie skyman "swords are entirely dependant on luck;"


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Skyman772 is not online. Skyman772
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09 Jun 2015 09:28 AM
ywis so you're playing the reaction time argument?

well reaction time is based on FPS

FPS is based on yours being higher than theirs

luck.

this isn't my opinion, this is the fact.
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Undecrypted is not online. Undecrypted
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09 Jun 2015 09:28 AM
"on top of all of that, all you need is numbers to win, that's why Skilled Force is the best sfing clan because they're the most active, they're not necessarily good sword fighters"

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Agreed to a certain extent, but you can't rule out the fact that swords do require some part of skill. It would be stupid to say swords require no skill, with any form of weaponry there is a strategy behind it.
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Skyman772 is not online. Skyman772
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09 Jun 2015 09:29 AM
you can break down any aspect of swordfighting to luck with ease

you can't say the same about guns
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Alexander0312 is not online. Alexander0312
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09 Jun 2015 09:29 AM
"on top of all of that, all you need is numbers to win, that's why Skilled Force is the best sfing clan because they're the most active, they're not necessarily good sword fighters"

Ok, let us take an example from when VAK raided us. They pre-flooed and they outnumbered us, yet we still won. Can you explain this desolade?


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Skyman772 is not online. Skyman772
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09 Jun 2015 09:30 AM
there is a strategy to swordfighting yeah, but that strategy can be overcome with luck.

a solid gun strategy vs a bad gun strategy will never favor in the latter winning

the same can not be said for swordfighting
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Alexander0312 is not online. Alexander0312
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09 Jun 2015 09:30 AM
Really then you can try to 1v1 me swords and beat me?

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