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Re: Religious tolerance is kinda weird

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mjemje is not online. mjemje
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07 Jun 2015 12:18 AM
I understand it, of course; leaving people to believe in what they will is the easiest thing and prevents completely unnecessary conflicts

But, for people that are more sure of their beliefs, it seems like they're deciding "I know that this person is wrong, but I'm just going to let them continue being wrong."
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Groundskeeper is not online. Groundskeeper
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07 Jun 2015 12:21 AM
"But, for people that are more sure of their beliefs, it seems like they're deciding "I know that this person is wrong, but I'm just going to let them continue being wrong.""

That's where you're wrong.

If you're so sure of your own beliefs, people believing something else won't bother you. If you want to have a logical conversation with them and accept what they have to say, I'd be inclined to change my mind but something tells me that's not what you do.
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mjemje is not online. mjemje
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07 Jun 2015 12:23 AM
I think you're making assumptions about me. I thought my first statement of the post would avoid that, but I guess not. :/

It doesn't bother me. I'm an atheist, but in no way do religious beliefs bother me. (As long as they're not forceful about it and the usual considerate stuff) It's just a bit weird to think about how I can just agree to let someone believe in what I think is incorrect, and they do the same for me.
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Groundskeeper is not online. Groundskeeper
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07 Jun 2015 12:25 AM
Weird how-so? Some choose to brush their teeth sitting down and others standing up, I think nothing of it.
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mjemje is not online. mjemje
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07 Jun 2015 12:28 AM
That's a matter of personal preference, though. Something subjective.

It seems to me like knowledge isn't so subjective a thing; there are things that are definitely correct and incorrect, even if we can't always discern which is which. I feel fairly sure that there is no god. I have no wish to push this on other people, though; it seems to me like the correct thing to do is to allow people to believe what I think is objectively incorrect.

And, as stated, others do the same for me.
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Groundskeeper is not online. Groundskeeper
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07 Jun 2015 12:31 AM
"That's a matter of personal preference, though. Something subjective."

If beliefs are anything other than subjective then the sky is anything other than blue.
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TheStalinator is not online. TheStalinator
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07 Jun 2015 12:33 AM
beliefs are just that
beliefs

you cannot prove the existence of a god nor disprove the existence of a god
let people believe what they want. whatever helps them to be a better person and to be happy is fine by me
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mjemje is not online. mjemje
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07 Jun 2015 12:34 AM
Maybe that's the strange thing to me, that beliefs are subjective.
How is it that knowledge can be considered correct to some people but incorrect to others? It's not like the universe works in different ways depending on who's living in it.

I don't think of this as a serious issue or anything, just something to think about
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07 Jun 2015 12:38 AM
"How is it that knowledge can be considered correct to some people but incorrect to others? It's not like the universe works in different ways depending on who's living in it."

Who says it doesn't? Who says the universe is a concrete thing?

Your beliefs are supported by more beliefs. Nothing in that glass house is anything but beliefs passed down or recognized.
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mjemje is not online. mjemje
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07 Jun 2015 12:40 AM
Let's say the universe does work in different ways for different people; is that not, then, a constant a concrete rule itself? And people could believe in that or not believe in it and one would feel so surely that he is right, but he would allow people to believe in what he thinks is undeniably wrong

It's a strange form of consideration
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Groundskeeper is not online. Groundskeeper
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07 Jun 2015 12:42 AM
My point is that truth can be branded somewhat indiscriminately. It may be right and it may be wrong, but we can never know for sure. You either believe something or you don't.
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Skittleblend is not online. Skittleblend
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07 Jun 2015 12:44 AM
Exactly, I hate when people want to censor opinion
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Groundskeeper is not online. Groundskeeper
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07 Jun 2015 12:48 AM
"Exactly, I hate when people want to censor opinion"

By this logic I can tell every lgbt'er that they're wrong for believing that they don't have a choice for who they are and nobody's allowed to call me an ass?
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Skittleblend is not online. Skittleblend
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07 Jun 2015 12:52 AM
" and nobody's allowed to call me an ass"

Calling the person an ass isn't an act of censorship, its a counter-argument

Censorship is this

*reports post*
"omg dont post that here stop criticising ppl ogm"
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mjemje is not online. mjemje
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07 Jun 2015 12:57 AM
It was nice to have a satisfying discussion on OT
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