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Re: 5 Reasons to be against the death penalty

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AlicelnWonderIand is not online. AlicelnWonderIand
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25 May 2015 12:26 PM
1. It requires killing innocent people.

No system is perfect, and it turns out that just in America, 4% of people on death row are innocent. That's a lot of innocent people being killed.

2. It's expensive.

Keeping prisoners is surprisingly cheap. A life sentence actually ends up costing significantly less than the death penalty, which requires mountains of legal fees.

3. It is not a deterrent.

Introducing the death penalty has never been shown to reduce crime. People who commit extremely brutal acts worthy of the death penalty aren't thinking about the consequences anyways.

4. It's arbitrary and prone to bias.

There's no specific criteria to which the death penalty will be carried out, so judges decision to kill the criminal is typically very arbitrary. Judges always have the option of life in prison as an alternative, and studies (by GAO) have found that racial bias is a large factor and judges are more likely to sentence black people to death than white people. People who are poor and cannot afford proper lawyers are also more likely to receive the death penalty.

5. Most countries are already on board.

Capital punishment is not a thing in most first-world countries. America has a punitive rather than a restorative prison system which is why America has more people imprisoned than almost every other nation combined. The vast majority of other first-world countries already recognize that a punitive prison system does not work and their statistics show that they are right.
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jason2926 is not online. jason2926
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25 May 2015 12:28 PM
Gives me an idea for a new trend. I'll call it.... #DeathtoDeathPenalty
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DarkImperiator is not online. DarkImperiator
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25 May 2015 12:29 PM
1. So even if the people are guilty are innocent?
2. True
3. True
4. That's not true
5. Don't know about this one


I've got to concentrate concentrate concentrate...
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AlicelnWonderIand is not online. AlicelnWonderIand
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25 May 2015 12:30 PM
@Dark

1. Not even sure that's a sentence.
4. It is true, look it up. -.-
5. Again, look it up.
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tuckguitar is not online. tuckguitar
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25 May 2015 12:30 PM
It's actually more expensive to keep them alive.


Tuck is a Duck!
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ThunderWarrior776 is not online. ThunderWarrior776
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25 May 2015 12:30 PM
"1. It requires killing innocent people."

because murderers are innocent. yeah.

"2. It's expensive."

hanging isn't that expensive.

"3. It is not a deterrent."

yes it is, you are just a blind liberal refusing to do your research.

"4. It's arbitrary and prone to bias."

you are wrong in so many ways.

"5. Most countries are already on board."

still doesn't mean we should follow their example.
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AnInnocentCommunist3 is not online. AnInnocentCommunist3
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25 May 2015 12:31 PM
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AlicelnWonderIand is not online. AlicelnWonderIand
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25 May 2015 12:32 PM
@Thunder

1. You blatantly ignored my explanation.
2. You blatantly ignored my explanation.
3. Claiming there's evidence doesn't mean there is.
4. It's a demonstrable fact, my friend. :)
5. Their example is demonstrable more successful than ours.

@tuck

No it isn't.
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spt188 is not online. spt188
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25 May 2015 12:33 PM
Also, it goes againist the Hippocrate's Oath.
Not to harm your paitents.
By having a doctor at the death sentence, you're breaking the Hippocratical Oath.
Thanks Obama!
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MikeTheSpike451 is not online. MikeTheSpike451
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25 May 2015 12:34 PM
Then they could make a reality TV show about the inmates on death sentences fight to the death in a deadly arena until only one stands! Like The Hunger Games! But with prisoners! People love to see violence and sometimes gore! Billions of people around the world will watch The Inmate Games, the winner will get to have their freedom but they will be under house arrest or something like that...
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AlicelnWonderIand is not online. AlicelnWonderIand
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25 May 2015 12:35 PM
@Mike

That might actually provide an incentive to get on death row. .-.
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CattIeya is not online. CattIeya
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25 May 2015 12:35 PM
I support the death penalty. If somebody commits a crime such as MASS MURDER, then definitely that person should be convicted and should face the death penalty.

Would you rather spend your whole life in jail or just end it?
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voidscar1 is not online. voidscar1
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25 May 2015 12:35 PM
"1. It requires killing innocent people.

No system is perfect, and it turns out that just in America, 4% of people on death row are innocent. That's a lot of innocent people being killed. "

doesnt matter, they got convicted, they had their chance to appeal.

we shouldnt keep people alive because they "may" be innocent. at that point, they are guilty.

"Keeping prisoners is surprisingly cheap. A life sentence actually ends up costing significantly less than the death penalty, which requires mountains of legal fees."

source please

"Introducing the death penalty has never been shown to reduce crime. People who commit extremely brutal acts worthy of the death penalty aren't thinking about the consequences anyways."

its still proper punishment, rather then keeping them housed up

"There's no specific criteria to which the death penalty will be carried out, so judges decision to kill the criminal is typically very arbitrary. Judges always have the option of life in prison as an alternative, and studies (by GAO) have found that racial bias is a large factor and judges are more likely to sentence black people to death than white people. People who are poor and cannot afford proper lawyers are also more likely to receive the death penalty. "

and?

"Capital punishment is not a thing in most first-world countries. America has a punitive rather than a restorative prison system which is why America has more people imprisoned than almost every other nation combined. The vast majority of other first-world countries already recognize that a punitive prison system does not work and their statistics show that they are right. "

and?
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MikeTheSpike451 is not online. MikeTheSpike451
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25 May 2015 12:39 PM
@alice, who cares! Its the inmates choices anyways! And would they rather die without a fight or die while fighting for their life? Or just die or you might die but you might live? And BTW The Inmate Games will only be once a year!
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AlicelnWonderIand is not online. AlicelnWonderIand
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25 May 2015 12:40 PM
@Cattleya

I think my 5 points outweighs that one point.

@void

>"doesnt matter, they got convicted, they had their chance to appeal.

we shouldnt keep people alive because they "may" be innocent. at that point, they are guilty."

I'm not sure how I can argue with you.
I hold it to be self-evident that killing innocent people is wrong, and we shouldn't promote a system that consistently does so.

If you do not share this view then there's no point arguing.

>"source please"

http://ow.ly/Np0c2

>"its still proper punishment, rather then keeping them housed up"

Whether the punishment is "proper" is insanely arbitrary.

>"and?"

And therefore it's not a deterrent. Seriously, can't you read?

>"and?"

And therefore restorative justice systems are demonstrably favorable. Seriously, can't you read? [2]


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NoobCreated is not online. NoobCreated
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25 May 2015 12:41 PM
>surprised nobody has said tl;dr

with love, niñaecreated
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mgmt13 is not online. mgmt13
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25 May 2015 12:42 PM
tbh i'm only against the death penalty for people like the boston bomber because death is what he wants. all he's getting now is what he hoped for in 2013.
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kevinc99 is not online. kevinc99
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25 May 2015 12:42 PM
i have just one

1. Your killing people

nuff said

*eye twitches*
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MikeTheSpike451 is not online. MikeTheSpike451
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25 May 2015 12:42 PM
That boston bomber guy deserves torture till death!
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voidscar1 is not online. voidscar1
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25 May 2015 12:43 PM
"I'm not sure how I can argue with you.
I hold it to be self-evident that killing innocent people is wrong, and we shouldn't promote a system that consistently does so."

except you can appeal for quite a bit

if your still not found innocent at that point, doesnt matter

we shouldnt keep people alive on a whim

"And therefore it's not a deterrent. Seriously, can't you read?"

whether is a deterrent or not doesnt matter

"And therefore restorative justice systems are demonstrably favorable. Seriously, can't you read?"

the and is because this point is moot

other countries dont do it, therefor we shouldnt?
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MikeTheSpike451 is not online. MikeTheSpike451
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25 May 2015 12:43 PM
@alive, did you even see my last last post?
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AlicelnWonderIand is not online. AlicelnWonderIand
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25 May 2015 12:43 PM
@kevin

I tend to be against killing people as well but many people aren't.
I presented these criteria because they're objective and much harder to argue against.

Although it does appear rather easy for people to just go in denial and pretend the points are false.
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TazerClawX is not online. TazerClawX
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25 May 2015 12:44 PM
For no 1 she makes sense,police aren't always right about murderers innocent person dead,can't be brought back.While if it's just jail they might find out it's not you and you can sue them,etc.
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voidscar1 is not online. voidscar1
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25 May 2015 12:46 PM
"http://ow.ly/Np0c2"

ill concede to this
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CattIeya is not online. CattIeya
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25 May 2015 12:47 PM
"I think my 5 points outweighs that one point."

Honestly they don't.

"1. It requires killing innocent people"

Those people aren't innocent, they deserve to be dead. That's invalid.

"2. It's expensive."

Justice > Finance

"3. It is not a deterrent."

Killing off a mass murderer or a r8pist reduces crime easily.

"4. It's arbitrary and prone to bias. "

nonsense

"5. Most countries are already on board."

So what?






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