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Re: Why religion is wrong(Full Explanation)

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IncinerationTheory is not online. IncinerationTheory
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12 May 2015 09:55 PM
1. Which religion?

There are many different religions, each claiming to be the 'true' one, with the obvious implication that all the others are false. Most religions even include many different sects with mutually incompatible doctrines. Each religion is defended by its followers just as ardently as all the others. Obviously they cannot all be right, but they can all be wrong! It is well known that young children raised in a family of any particular religion almost invariably end up adhering to that religion. Such indoctrination is a form of child abuse. If the same children were raised in different families, the results would undoubtedly be different. Thus, the particular religion adopted by most individuals is purely an accident of birth. Even if the doctrines of one particular religious sect were CORRECT, all the others would be wrong. It follows logically that any person's religion is almost certainly not the true one. In the absence of objective evidence, it is more rational to reject all religions than to adopt one at random. If God existed, he/she/it might not approve of people following a false religion!
[Note. Since all religions have different ideas about their god(s), for simplicity in what follows we shall refer to all such gods generically as 'God', using the personal pronoun 'he' for definiteness.]

2. Where is the evidence?

There is not a shred of evidence in favour of any religion. Ancient books written at a time when people had little scientific understanding of the natural world, with no independent evidence to back up their claims, are unworthy of serious consideration, even if millions of people revere them. There are just as many people who follow other superstitions which the rest of the world would regard as completely unfounded and even laughable. The ancient Greek and Roman gods were based on time-honoured beliefs and customs followed fervently by innumerable people. Why should the modern ideas of God be any better? Logically, there is no difference - there is simply no evidence. Religious apologists, who have no rational arguments to support their beliefs, often challenge atheists to prove that there is no God. Obviously, it is not possible to prove the non-existence of God, just as no one can prove the non-existence of the tooth fairy, unicorns, or other imaginary beings. If someone claims that some improbable entity exists, the onus is on that person to provide evidence. Belief in things for which there is no objective evidence deserves only ridicule, not respect.
3. God is a despicable evil monster

Where is the great compassionate God on which most modern religions are based? If such a God really cared about the people of the world and were as powerful as modern religions claim, he could certainly make himself known to everyone in an unmistakable manner, thus dispelling doubt and at the same time revealing which religion, if any, is the true one. Is he ashamed to show himself? Where was this God during the Hollowcaust and other genosidal massacres throughout history, not to mention countless natchural dissasters causing untold suffering among the innocent? Was he asleep? Away on holiday? Simply enjoying the show because he's a sadist? Too bored by it all to bother to intervene? Punishing good and bad people alike in revenge for some people's misdemeanours? Such a callous, vengeful and spiteful God would be beneath contempt, more evil than Hilter. But of course there's no rational reason to think that God exists.
4. Why bother?

It is ridiculous to imagine that a God having the character claimed by most modern religions would really be so selfish or egoistic as to demand or even expect that people would pay constant homage to him. Would he even care that intelligent people didn't believe in him in the absence of any verifiable evidence? In fact, to a being that created the entire universe, the whole human population would hardly be noticeable! On a cosmic scale there is nothing 'special' about our planet. The Earth revolves around the Sun, which is a fairly average star at an outer extremity of the Milky Way galaxy containing many billions of other stars, many with their own planets, and there are 100 billion galaxies in the known universe. Scientists consider it likely that countless other planets could harbour life. If a super-intelligent being could observe the entire universe, the tiny speck of human population on Earth would be of no more significance than the ants in a particular garden would be to any one of us. Since there is no evidence that God ever interacts with the world, why would he have any interest in the strange rituals of modern religions?
5. Religion is a waste of time and energy

Think of all the time and energy expended by religious people preaching, praying, singing hymns, chanting, mumbling, bowing, kneeling, genuflecting, making unnatural movements of the hands, donning religious garments or amulets, fasting, visiting shrines or 'holy' men, making religious pilgrimages, performing circumambulatory rituals, etc. There is no evidence that any of these activities ever produce positive results. Indeed, there have been numerous incidents when natchural dissasters or brutal murders occurred while large congregations were attending religious services in churches or temples. Imagine how much could be achieved if all the time, energy and resources devoted to meaningless religious rituals could be diverted to productive purposes!
6. There is no need for the God hypothesis

The ancients invented gods to ACCOUNT for natural phenomena which they could not explain in any other way - lightening and thunder, volcanos, weather and climatic patterns, floods, plagues, the apparent motions of celestial bodies in the sky, etc. Nowadays, every one of these natural phenomena is understood by science. The general principles of Darwinian evolution ACCOUNT for the great diversity of life on Earth and explain convincingly how complex life forms, including the human species, evolved from more primitive life, and indeed there is increasingly abundant evidence for this. Modern cosmology enables us to understand how naturally occurring physical processes lead to the formation of stars and planets like our Earth. There is no need to invoke supernatural explanations for any known phenomena. Physicists now even have plausible theories for the origin of the universe itself. Even though many of the details remain uncertain, the fact that modern science offers possible natural physical explanations of all known phenomena means that God is redundant. The "God of the gaps" is dead!
7. The God hypothesis raises more questions than it answers

Religious apologists often say that God, as a creator, provides a simple explanation of why we are here, and that it even explains the origin of the universe, as a 'first cause'. Exactly the opposite is true - it explains nothing! A God who designed all observable entities, including the many complex forms of life, would have to be an even more advanced being. Who or what created that God? This merely leads to an infinite regress. The answer that God always existed is absurd. What did he do for all eternity until he finally decided for some reason that it would be a good idea to create the universe? The alternative hypothesis that God just suddenly sprang into existence is equally absurd. The nature of the world clearly contradicts the character of the God of modern religions. If God is infinitely good, omniscient and omnipotent, why is his creation so imperfect that it produces constant natural disasters and dreadful diseases resulting in indiscriminate suffering, even among the most devout or innocent people? The cliché "God works in mysterious ways" is merely a cop-out.
8. Religion is a source of evil

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9. Religion is dehumanising

Religious people follow various dogmas unthinkingly and are taught not to question the unsubstantiated claims of their religious leaders. In contrast, atheists are more likely to have an inquisitive mind, to think for themselves, and to form beliefs based solely on the weight of evidence. A scientific understanding of natural physical and biological phenomena is far more awe-inspiring than a naive belief that God is responsible for everything. How can anyone fail to be impressed by modern cosmology, which explains the formation of galaxies, stars and planets, by Darwinian evolution, which ACCOUNTS for the amazing diversity and adaptation of life, by modern biology, which explains how cells divide and organisms function, or by quantum mechanics, which governs the structure of the atom? Atheism is also superior in the sphere of morality. It is far more noble for people to do things because they feel that their actions are right than to obey religious rules based on the threat that some invisible vindictive being is watching their every move. Rational people are masters over their own lives, not slaves to serve some non-existent God. Religion is an insult to human dignity.
10. Religion impedes progress

Nearly all religions teach their followers to accept their dogmas unquestioningly, and this inhibits free and original thought and innovation. Examples abound throughout history, up to the present day. A good example is provided by the Catholic church. Galileo Galilei, one of the most brilliant scientists of his time, was denounced to the Inquisition and persecuted for the rest of his life because he taught that the Earth revolves around the Sun, which contradicted the church's dogma that the Earth sits immovably at the centre of the universe. Even worse, the great philosopher Giordano Bruno was burnt at the stake for 'heresy'. In modern times, the Catholic church would rather condemn countless women to misery and suffering than allow them to control their own bodies by simple and harmless methods of contraception, and it discourages stem cell research, which might improve or even save the lives of millions of people. In the US, religious fundamentalists have forced many schools to restrict the teaching of evolution and other scientific theories, and instead indoctrinate children with ideas of 'creationism' (nowadays relabelled as 'intelligent design'), thereby killing scientific curiosity and understanding in thousands of young minds and inhibiting future scientific progress. In many backward countries, poorly EDUCATED people are brainwashed by religious leaders into believing that a better afterlife awaits them. This spreads defeatism and dampens the struggle for social justice and a better standard of living.
Conclusion (especially for those stuck in the dreary old rut of religion): There is no God. Stop worrying and enjoy YOUR life!
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IncinerationTheory is not online. IncinerationTheory
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12 May 2015 09:56 PM
all 9 million of C&G's arguments blown out of the water. G frikin g
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Seviro is not online. Seviro
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12 May 2015 09:57 PM
religion is not wrong

religion is not right

there is no definite answer to an ideology - it's in the eyes of the beholder.
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brianbread80 is not online. brianbread80
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12 May 2015 09:58 PM
my mother told me to respect everyone's beliefs, even if i dont agree with them.

my mother also told me not to generalize billions of people based on the actions of a small handful.


i own large bread
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darkwisp is not online. darkwisp
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12 May 2015 09:58 PM
This was a rather long essay of philosophical blather. Not necessarily my sort of take on anything.
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DominantFighter is not online. DominantFighter
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12 May 2015 09:58 PM
wrong forum m8
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MordithSolarusKaine is not online. MordithSolarusKaine
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12 May 2015 09:59 PM
Your "evidence" (which isn't evidence supporting YOUR claim, might I add) is not cited in any way (you can't have gathered it yourself, m8) and, again, you based this off of ONE HUMAN VARIABLE. I will remind you ONE MORE TIME. Human Variables DO NOT WORK.

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IncinerationTheory is not online. IncinerationTheory
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12 May 2015 10:01 PM
lol I wrote this freshman(I think) year. Im now a junior. This is not a human variable this actually took extensive research, which I lost the citing for
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brianbread80 is not online. brianbread80
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12 May 2015 10:02 PM
heavily opinionated paper probably using heavily opinionated sources


i own large bread
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darkwisp is not online. darkwisp
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12 May 2015 10:03 PM
" Human Variables DO NOT WORK."

That is a rather silly assertion. Not only does this have nothing to do with anything but yes they do if they are used properly. Specifically for deriving a pattern in human behavior/nature.
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MordithSolarusKaine is not online. MordithSolarusKaine
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12 May 2015 10:04 PM
Human variables are anything based upon humans.
Any variables based upon humans are automatically inaccurate if not used on the WHOLE human population, and they fall out of credibility incredibly quickly due to the continuation of the human race. Unless you single handedly managed to do research on a MASSIVE population of human beings, you would not get accurate evidence, regardless of the query due to the complexity of the human brain, thought process and body.

Ggnore.

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MordithSolarusKaine is not online. MordithSolarusKaine
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12 May 2015 10:06 PM
I will admit, saying they outright do not work is a bold statement.
It would work if used on a large population, but I doubt he had a large enough population to do the research himself, and not having the proper citation voids all credibility.

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Arthaslickking is not online. Arthaslickking
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12 May 2015 10:07 PM
nice b8 m8

enjoying your rebellion? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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darkwisp is not online. darkwisp
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12 May 2015 10:08 PM
"Human variables are anything based upon humans.
Any variables based upon humans are automatically inaccurate if not used on the WHOLE human population, and they fall out of credibility incredibly quickly due to the continuation of the human race. Unless you single handedly managed to do research on a MASSIVE population of human beings, you would not get accurate evidence, regardless of the query due to the complexity of the human brain, thought process and body.

Ggnore."

As you make your sheepish smirk you fail to realize how that does not follow to any point at all.

"Not only does this have nothing to do with anything"
His uncle is not a basis for why he has come to this assertion. It is only the reason why he decided to be open about it which in my opinion is rather rash. Notice how he said he made this as a freshman. A year before the alleged incident.

"yes they do if they are used properly."

What was even the point of making an extra 2 paragraphs on something you did not read through?
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Sparing is not online. Sparing
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12 May 2015 10:14 PM
"there is no definite answer to an ideology - it's in the eyes of the beholder."

there are many ideologies with very obvious, clear flaws, and its validity is not always in the hands of the beholder. the ww2 germans' ideology about racial superiority was certainly, from a biological standpoint, mostly false. we can see objectively that the germans at this time were wrong about some things, just like we can with religious ideology.
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Swan777 is not online. Swan777
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12 May 2015 10:17 PM
"There is no God. Stop worrying and enjoy YOUR life!"

This is a real twisted and sick thread

no seriously who the hell spends 30 minutes typing all this crap out to try and stomp on all religions...dude gtfo of here, ok? Honestly if you beilieve this keep it to yourself remember this is roblox.com we don't debate this crap it's useless with ignorant people like you anyhow

btw I enjoy my life plenty and I am christian
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Sparing is not online. Sparing
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12 May 2015 10:33 PM
"btw I enjoy my life plenty and I am christian"

Religion, the Christian one in particular, is designed to make you not cherish life.

Heaven is presented as an incentive for the religion's followers, and hence Christians don't necessarily dislike the idea of dying, or at least they don't loathe the concept, since they can look forward to finding out what Heaven is like. Living for men as ends in and of themselves is the greatest good in this world, and Christians denounce this idea and want to live for their illusory after-world. Further, the common mantra of Christians is to "live for others." It sounds selfish to say, but it's a lot more enjoyable to live for yourself, and accept that you have a self, and that you aren't a means to the ends of others, but that you're an end yourself.

Christianity's figurehead, Jesus, the ideal moral person, died for the sins of depraved people. Why would Christians invent such a horrible ideal, given they're the ones who made up this fairy-tale? That the good in this world should die for the wicked masses, and that they should be exalted for doing so. It's almost a sort of depressing concept.
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DominantFighter is not online. DominantFighter
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14 Jul 2015 09:26 PM
This is so wrong in so many ways.. How do you explain all the miracles m8? Its totally a trick that bodies of saints dont rot, and some blood becomes liquid every year on someones feast day, and my favorite, just read this: http://www.cruxnow(.)com/faith/2014/12/12/four-awesome-facts-about-our-lady-of-guadalupe/

Remove parenthesis. And @above, every Christian I know is way happier than any non-Christian I know..
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Xandolf is not online. Xandolf
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18 Jul 2015 01:02 AM
So what about the christian forums that say "There is a god, cater to his every whim" Is that wrong? Is it okay when Christians do it, but not when atheists do it? That double standard is ridiculous. Listen, it's not messed up just because you don't agree with the forum. The link to the site you put on is obviously pro-christian so of course it's gonna swing some statements around and make them sound true.
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18 Jul 2015 01:03 AM
Btw I was replying to swan777.
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toughman318 is not online. toughman318
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18 Jul 2015 01:07 AM
Is this flame. You atheist b!!tch.
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18 Jul 2015 01:10 AM
Wow, this was a little while ago. I'm Sparing..

Anyways, miracles can be explained through science. Quantum physics principles developed by Stephen Hawking predicate that in any situation, an infinite number of possibilities exist. Some have an infinitesimal chance of occurring, less than 0.01%, but a rational chance nonetheless -- this is what miracles are, in accordance with scientific thought.
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darkwisp is not online. darkwisp
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18 Jul 2015 12:04 PM
My final words are-

OP is a try hard and also he does not understand the scientific method. He presents criticisms of an idea as though it is proof of said idea is false.

The truth is Religion can't be wrong as it has no way to properly test it's accountability.

"Religion, the Christian one in particular, is designed to make you not cherish life."

The Christian one in particular? You have not seen Budhism then.

"Religion is dehumanising"

See nihilism.

I am atheist and I am dissapointed in this thread. You have all not won any Internets.
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18 Jul 2015 12:05 PM
oh man here we go again

hi im gamehack26 and im a noob
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