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Re: i'm against the feminist movement

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02 May 2015 11:30 PM
also the fact that they aren't after equal rights
that would be egalitarianism
feminism seeks to advance the rights and influence of women at the expense of everything else
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02 May 2015 11:32 PM
Indeed, as is any case in which the government forces things onto businesses. It should be voluntary, and brought about by education, not force by means of legislation. @True
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02 May 2015 11:33 PM
I agree @unto
The feminist movement, the orthodox one in the 20th century, was about gender equality. The one nowadays is about feminine supremacy and man-hating.
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02 May 2015 11:42 PM
Man-Hating?

There are radicals for SURE, but they do not define feminist beleifs.

Feminism and egalitarianism go together, but Feminism highlights the oppression that specifically targets women.
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02 May 2015 11:46 PM
Also, I don't know why so many are obsessed with equality in the first place. Equality of opportunity, which is supplied through the merits of free market capitalism, is a virtue. I also support equality under the law and equality of inalienable rights. But equality, especially in its more extreme forms, can be terribly immoral, in which individual achievement is stifled for collective mediocrity. Equality at its most extreme form, communist and socialism, can become one of the worst evils in practice. People are not truly equal. Likewise, there are things men excel at, and things that females excel at. That doesn't mean one is superior to the other, but rather that their talents lie in different areas.
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02 May 2015 11:47 PM
@Sparing

It's unconstitutional anyways."All men are created equal". If businesses are paying women less than men, the Government has all the right to halt this unconstitutional injustice.

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02 May 2015 11:48 PM
"If businesses are paying women less than men, the Government has all the right to halt this unconstitutional injustice."

Now, please point to sources besides jezebel that say women are earning less than men for the same job.
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02 May 2015 11:48 PM
most feminist are still sane, just the few that ruin it for the bunch.


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02 May 2015 11:49 PM
I agree to an extent. Equality does not equal justice.


I agree that there are jobs women can't typically do due to biological differences. Military careers, for example.

But these aren't majority cases.

If a job can be done by either a man or a woman, they must be paid the same.
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02 May 2015 11:50 PM
"If a job can be done by either a man or a woman, they must be paid the same."

.....they are.
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02 May 2015 11:52 PM
I might revise my statement to say that I'm against the modern feminist movement, which is, in fact, a movement of people who aim for men's downfall, or at least female supremacy, and are out pressuring the government to give positions to women and to raise wages by means of government intervention rather than by women's own hard work.

Feminism and egalitarianism are both fundamentally flawed concepts, and I would not say that they necessarily go together, at least looking at the contemporary feminist movement that is more of a female supremacy unit, almost like a sort of radical Jihad.
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02 May 2015 11:52 PM
@Unto

Simply google it.

I'm concerned that you really haven't heard of this issue. Are you sheltered?
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02 May 2015 11:53 PM
"I'm concerned that you really haven't heard of this issue. Are you sheltered?"

I have heard of it. It's also based on a study that's a pack of lies.
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02 May 2015 11:56 PM
"It's unconstitutional anyways."All men are created equal". If businesses are paying women less than men, the Government has all the right to halt this unconstitutional injustice."

You mean the Declaration of Independence? This was never said in the constitution.. Anyways, in context, Thomas Jefferson was predicating that all people have equal inalienable rights and equal protection under the law.

Secondly, men and women are almost unequivocally paid equally for the same job. Feminists like to point to the wage gap, which is likely skewed due to a couple factors. Maternity leave, for one, and the fact that a lot of labor jobs are based on physical finesse, which doesn't play to females' strengths and hence garners them less money, just as it would a weak male who is less productive.
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02 May 2015 11:57 PM
Feminism follows suit with all other minority movements.
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02 May 2015 11:58 PM
@Sparing

It's really not. When Emma Watson spoke to the UN representing Feminists, she stressed the fact that to confuse Feminism for man-hating is politically incorrect.

Ofc they're pressuring the Government to raise wages, today there is still a wage gap between men and women working the same job. It's absurd that you think asking the government to regulate it is wrong, because it's the Government's job to protect our rights.
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03 May 2015 12:00 AM
obvious bait thread is obvious
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03 May 2015 12:00 AM
"If businesses are paying women less than men, the Government has all the right to halt this unconstitutional injustice."

The government shouldn't be able to tell businesses how much they have to pay people, as they ought' to leave it to the businesses to pay wages. If a women faces prejudice and is getting paid less than she should, and she is in fact competitive and qualified, then the smart employer will offer her what she is worth.

Having the government come in and ensure equal wages also leads to a slippery slope. Latinos might be getting paid marginally less than white people. Does that mean the government should come in and set the wages equal for these two groups too, to correct this injustice? This line of thinking can be expanded to so many variables that it becomes ridiculous.
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03 May 2015 12:02 AM
"she stressed the fact that to confuse Feminism for man-hating is politically incorrect."

If they really are acting in the interest of equality for all, that's egalitarianism. I associate feminism with the misandrist societal tendencies that have cropped up over the last several decades. It's now perfectly okay to destroy a man socially, but for retaliating he can be locked up, on the woman's word only.

"Ofc they're pressuring the Government to raise wages, today there is still a wage gap between men and women working the same job"

Source this. I refuse to believe it's any sort of true unless you provide evidence for your argument.
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03 May 2015 12:03 AM

true you idiot heard ofthe equal pay act

gender pay gap is complete BS if u did ur research ud know this

third wave feminism is comprised of man hating lunatics
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03 May 2015 12:04 AM
and no there isn't lol

u dumbass look at the source of the stats and how the stat was made

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03 May 2015 12:06 AM
feminists confirmed for awful at quantitative analysis???
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