romuluz
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| 23 Apr 2015 09:25 PM |
They've legit recycled the same general theme for three games in a row now and it's beginning to get a tad annoying and tiresome. Last three COD game in a nutshell:
Black Ops 2: TECHNOLOGY IS BAD!
Advanced Warfare: TECHNOLOGY IS BAD!!
Black Ops 3: GUESS WHAT?!?!?!!? TECHNOLOGY IS BAD!!!!!!1111one111
Can we like, not have a near futuristic game where the downsides of advancing technology is not the main focal point? Why not one where advancing technology is actually shown as a good thing or better yet one where the pros and cons of advancing technology aren't the main focal point at all? |
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re7hf
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| 23 Apr 2015 10:07 PM |
u 4gawt ghosts
my hotel WiFi is better than yours!! |
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Adam335
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| 23 Apr 2015 10:16 PM |
Technology wasn't the main point in either Black Ops 2 or Advanced Warfare.
Black Ops 2 focused on flashbacks to the Cold War, and Advanced Warfare focused on Private Military Corporations.
Technology is actually relevant to Black Ops 3 because it actually affects the plot line. |
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| 23 Apr 2015 10:33 PM |
Oh wait there's multiplayer!
I am fluffy. Add 4,623 Posts. |
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romuluz
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| 23 Apr 2015 11:12 PM |
@Adam:
You're talking plot man. I'm talking the themes, or the message the game stories are trying to convey. The general theme of all three were in fact about technological advancement and reliance being bad and the reliance on it are exploited by said antagonists in both games and it appears to be the same case in Blops 3.
Also, I legitimately forgot about Ghosts, which I guess is a small break in this re occurring and repetitive theme Cod is so intent on using but I do dislike Ghosts for bringing back Ghost himself.
Sorry, like Woods, there is no way in hell Ghost survived that crap, and I really dislike it when movies or games pull that. |
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| 24 Apr 2015 05:28 AM |
| They need to make COD WoW again |
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Adam335
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| 24 Apr 2015 04:39 PM |
The literal main theme of Advanced Warfare was Private Military Corporations.
The advancement of technology is an essential part of these games because they are set in the future. |
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| 24 Apr 2015 04:40 PM |
| Plus, how the hell did AW not have 4 player local play, wtf. |
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| 24 Apr 2015 04:50 PM |
"Black Ops 2: TECHNOLOGY IS BAD!"
Black Ops 2 wasn't a war against technology- it was a battle against a terrorist who wanted to hack into the US Drone system
"Advanced Warfare: TECHNOLOGY IS BAD!!"
Advanced Warfare focused on corporate greed. Irons allows millions of people to die just so ATLAS can profit. You've obviously never played it.
"Black Ops 3: GUESS WHAT?!?!?!!? TECHNOLOGY IS BAD!!!!!!1111one111"
We haven't even seen anything relating to the campaign's story rather than it being based off of rapidly evolving technology.
Just because futuristic technology is present in these games doesn't mean the message it shows is "TECHNULAGE IS BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" |
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| 24 Apr 2015 05:25 PM |
think of something completely original right now i guarantee it's already been thought of by someone else
Don't fear your last step/From the theatre of pain/And the children will love your singing/From the sea |
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romuluz
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| 24 Apr 2015 05:29 PM |
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Again, you are once more thinking on the plot not the themes they are conveying.
Blops II even had entire monologues from woods talking about drone warfare and how one person can take the "keys" so to speak and render our defenses useless, which is demonstrated.
Advanced Warfare on the otherhand, while yes, corporate greed is another theme within it's campaign, still deals with reliance on technology, with everything from reliance on the suits(Which are able to be shut down at a flick of a switch by irons), to the protagonist's robotic hand.
And Blops III's primary theme is directly stated within the first few seconds of the newest trailer, which, sorry, is quite revealing as to what the story is going to be about. It's written on the screen quite plainly for everyone to see, and to be frank I am growing really tired of them re using this theme consistantly. |
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| 24 Apr 2015 05:31 PM |
if you've got something that works for you why not just keep doing it if you ace a science test because you studied and continue to do so then you can conclude that studying for science tests makes you do better if you make a game with a certain theme and it sells well and continues to do so then you can conclude that games with that theme sell better than other themes
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romuluz
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| 24 Apr 2015 05:32 PM |
@Mikey: Every theme has been addressed before, that is not the issue and you are taking something I say to the exact literal meaning.
I'm more bothered by the fact that Cod has re used this theme 3 times now in all three of their future universes when there are so many OTHER themes they can address in their own creative ways. Don't get me wrong, I liked that they employed it in Blops II, and think that Blops II campaign was the first good campaign they made in a while. But they're honestly failing to branch out in what they address in their futuristic universes |
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romuluz
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| 24 Apr 2015 05:34 PM |
"if you've got something that works for you why not just keep doing it if you ace a science test because you studied and continue to do so then you can conclude that studying for science tests makes you do better if you make a game with a certain theme and it sells well and continues to do so then you can conclude that games with that theme sell better than other themes"
You're comparing something very straight forward such as a science test to literature, and sorry, it doesn't work. You're going at this with a marketing standpoint as to what they can sell which, honestly is the same thought process they're having, and is the exact reason why I haven't purchased a cod since BLOPS II. Not only do they fail to address different themes but they fail to address this theme in a new, creative way, which I will admit is hard for a reality based military game, and is also why they should branch out to other themes.
To be honest, story wise I'm going to be purchasing the same exact game I already have story wise, which I honestly do not want to do. |
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| 24 Apr 2015 05:41 PM |
the point of a company is to make money if Black Ops makes them money why would they making Black Ops
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romuluz
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| 24 Apr 2015 05:44 PM |
I get that. Trust me I do, but they would still be making money possibly even more money if they branched out and tried new themes and better campaigns. Re using themes is not really earning them money, trust me.
I for one would have a renewed interest and would probably buy in the franchise if it did a furutistic game where one of the primary themes WASN'T man's reliance on technology. |
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| 24 Apr 2015 05:46 PM |
the thing is that as technology becomes more advanced the reliance on it increases before graphic calculators, everyone knew how to graph exponential and quadratic functions by hand, now I know about ten people who can
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romuluz
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| 24 Apr 2015 05:47 PM |
| buy the next entry in the franchise* |
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romuluz
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| 24 Apr 2015 05:49 PM |
"the thing is that as technology becomes more advanced the reliance on it increases before graphic calculators, everyone knew how to graph exponential and quadratic functions by hand, now I know about ten people who can"
Yes, this does not mean it needs to be addressed in every single futuristic fictional story. There are SO many good sci fi universes that DO NOT address this theme, stories such as Halo, Mass Effect, Star Wars, Killzone etc. and they are popular multi billion dollar franchises. Trust me, COD can stand to branch out a bit, they've milked this theme dry and honestly should not have touched it after Blops II since they obviously can't redub it in an original way.(Of course, Blops III can surprise me but I've failed to be impressed with Cod writers) |
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| 24 Apr 2015 05:51 PM |
@Rom
Problem is, Warfare nowadays, relies on said technology, and it'll only get worse.
The only way you could really stop it, is by going back to more historical games, such as between WW2/MW
I'd persoanlly be happy for a WW2 one, but, as people have mentioned, they're unlikely to change the forumla significantly, while it makes them so much money, not wanting a repeat of Ghosts. |
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liam1127
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| 24 Apr 2015 05:51 PM |
"You're talking plot man. I'm talking the themes, or the message the game stories are trying to convey. The general theme of all three were in fact about technological advancement and reliance being bad and the reliance on it are exploited by said antagonists in both games and it appears to be the same case in Blops 3.
Also, I legitimately forgot about Ghosts, which I guess is a small break in this re occurring and repetitive theme Cod is so intent on using but I do dislike Ghosts for bringing back Ghost himself.
Sorry, like Woods, there is no way in hell Ghost survived that crap, and I really dislike it when movies or games pull that."
Okay. The idea of technology is picked because it's an easy one to go off. It has a firm standing in other media products in past and present. Second, you play down a point because it was "talking plot" yet your argument against that is using specific examples (FROM THE PLOT) with Irons, and Menendez using a trojan horse to control drones. You talk as if it's something constantly seen throughout the campaigns in the games but no, it's just single instances, not consistent themes as you believe.
Also, there is a difference in the theme, but not as you think it is. In Black Ops II and Advanced Warfare, the technology shown is purely for military use; quad rotors, autonomous ground robots, drones, exo suits etc serve no other purpose than to kill. The twist in Black Ops III is that it's more of a focus on every day life. To enhance atheletes, to eliminate disabilities as a whole...only welfare, not warfare.
Finally, it's quite clear you've never played Ghosts as you're talking trife about it. Ghost (aka Simon Riley) has nothing to do with Ghosts as it's a completely different universe from the Modern Warfare games. |
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| 24 Apr 2015 05:51 PM |
Yes, this does not mean it needs to be addressed in every single futuristic fictional story. There are SO many good sci fi universes that DO NOT address this theme, stories such as Halo, Mass Effect, Star Wars, Killzone etc. and they are popular multi billion dollar franchises. Trust me, COD can stand to branch out a bit, they've milked this theme dry and honestly should not have touched it after Blops II since they obviously can't redub it in an original way.(Of course, Blops III can surprise me but I've failed to be impressed with Cod writers)"
but SPARTANS were CREATED for the purpose of fighting and saving humanity's ass if that's not reliance I don't know what is
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| 24 Apr 2015 05:51 PM |
even though stories such as Halo,Mass Effect,Star Wars, and probably killzone do address those themes.
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| 24 Apr 2015 05:54 PM |
All of those games raise it, in some way.
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romuluz
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| 24 Apr 2015 05:55 PM |
"but SPARTANS were CREATED for the purpose of fighting and saving humanity's ass if that's not reliance I don't know what is"
Does not deal with reliance on technology. If anything that's more dealing with the theme of government corruption and secrecy, and even so the theme that the whole spartan program presents is a minor theme, however it is a more major theme within the franchise as of late.
Also, small little correction, the spartan program was started before humanity even knew that the covenant existed. They were created to deal with the insurrectionists.
Also, no, Halo, Mass Effect, Killzone, or even Star Wars do not address reliance on tech in any sort of major way. |
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