meepo44
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| 23 Apr 2015 09:50 PM |
What do you think?
Yes i know they would be hard to get anyone to agree to.
And of course any disagreement about the war would lead to it being called off.
But assuming you could get PROPER bases and nothing breaking-rules happened, *You could assign a third party to define what counts as breaking or not*
What do you think of the implications of making clan-war more exciting.
Since everyone would in general keep their ranks with minor retasking.
No harm done and groups are now unified.
Its really just a UNIFICATION with a war to decide who keeps the name-rights and which group ends up being just a "family" sub-group hailed to a superior force.
Words, comments, thoughts, opinions, presentation.
Lets go. |
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captain26
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| 23 Apr 2015 09:55 PM |
| will not be followed cause kids will be kids |
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meepo44
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| 23 Apr 2015 10:00 PM |
hush kid captain nobody asked you kid.
If you can put 30+ hours into raiding *pyrante*
Then you can take your group HALF serious enough to wager ONLY YOUR PRIDE on winning a war that is just beneficial to everyone.
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| 23 Apr 2015 10:06 PM |
roasted
pandas sleepin chronos flankin +1 |
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2uo
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| 23 Apr 2015 10:07 PM |
| People aren't willing to lose that much. It's just not a part of how we see clans yo |
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captain26
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| 23 Apr 2015 10:07 PM |
meepo you dumb nig you just asked the tgi group for their opinion and i gave mine
i have no respect or any pride on this game since i dont give a single *bleep* anymore about it, i've done my time staring at a screen mindlessly killing kids for 0 rewards or skill earned doing it
and why so serious meepo?
also on another note about the thread, WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD GIVE UP THERE GROUP THEY BUILT AND EARNED JUST TO GET REKT BY SOME BS GROUP FULL OF AIM BOTTERS, SCAMMERS, SCUM, CHEATERS, AND HIRED GUNS |
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Synoan
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| 23 Apr 2015 10:07 PM |
| meepo just shut up we both know the second TGI gets into one of these you'll type paragraphs about why its not fair |
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| 23 Apr 2015 10:16 PM |
| I mean it is a good idea but it wouldn't happen. Imagine the rage some kids will feel. |
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meepo44
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| 23 Apr 2015 10:41 PM |
K. Captain go have your whiny fit somewhere else if you care that little and somehow also can't take rejection.
And i never suggested TGI should do this.
And no. Breaking rules would be simply result in no proper ending. All it requires to make is just have proper war terms and if they are broken then the other group was never going to cooperate anyway.
I mean making groups is easy.
Sure some small scrub clan wouldn't make their group ABOUT annexing groups but then again they ain't sht.
No pain no gain. Even if you lost your members would still as is in the rules would at least keep MR rank maximum if not HR.
And Syn you wouldn't understand because you don't even know HOW to war a group fairly.
2uo. Well said. But then again.
Group leaders feel like they can not have to take their wars seriously. Waste EVERYONES TIME with their bullsht by just letting your LRs raid forever and losing NOTHING if you just cheat and not give two shts about your own war.
Peoples time is worth nothing to them.
If it was an option. I would only SERVE a group leader who CARED enough to make the commitment of the group to back OUR effort.
And if we lose a fair war, Then the group we now belong to is stronger for it. And we simply proved we need to improve and how do you DO that better then strengthening a new group.
This would only not work against greedy scrubs who think that since they can waste peoples time it makes them IMPORTANT somehow.
Heck, if there was a group that did this i would sign up in an INSTANT to serve them regardless of the group size. It shows they care far more then any group i have served in the past.
And if all you got was 1 or 2 other groups that would even war you thats fine.
They would eventually just combine to make a larger and stronger group.
This will just lead to the best leading the best and largest group WITH MORE INTEGRITY then the leaders have now.
Its not a wager.
Its showing you can back up what you think is worth defending by PROVING its worth defending. Particularly when your not even the one defending it.
So hate all you want on this concept.
Just shows how much more of a greedy scrub you are as a person.
I noticed captain didn't DISAGREE. He merely stated the obvious LACK of integrity of most people, which i DO agree with even if he no longer cares enough to make the point.
2uo didn't disagree either but made the same point.
SO. WHAT. If they wouldn't war such a group?
Maybe they are just weak and their members should go to serve the obviously more worthwhile clan?
By those opposed logic.
Your disagreeing to defend integrity you don't have because your too stupid, cowardly, arrogant, or selfish to make the effort.
Just saying. I don't expect this to be used practically ever.
I'm making a point to you about why its NOT used.
And i want to hear group leaders opinions about it the most because its very telling of despite whatever they CLAIM to be doing for their groups, just how much they actually make of an effort.
Is it that they are just afraid they will not be returned to positions of power after they prove just how useless they actually are after they lose the war then fail to rise back through the ranks?
Probably more then you think..
So tell me syn. If you COULD have a fair war like this one. And if it didn't work out it then the rules state it could be nullified.
Would you have the integrity to battle it out and accept defeat if you WERE beaten?
Because honestly.
Before you answer.
Consider that even if you lose. The only thing you actually LOSE is your pride.
Bases? can be reused by any group. Training places? same. Ranks? You can rerise or even if you lose you might be placed highly in the group with a lot of your better members.
Integrity? If anything you proved you had more anyway.
Status?
Status.
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meepo44
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| 23 Apr 2015 10:43 PM |
Btw.
Rage over what?
Like we DON'T rage over wars already?
I mean if the rules are broken the war is null so it doesn't matter. All you lose is integrity to the clan community.
Losing legitimately?
Well...
Maybe they will rage. But still.
You accepted that your fighting a force that could be greater then your own. They might kick themselves over losing like that.
But in the end its just their pride.
Though im sure SOME scrub will just lose his SHT over losing the war even if it was fair.
But that would just be funny ^-^ |
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darkwisp
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| 23 Apr 2015 10:52 PM |
| Only a trash leader would give up their group due to some war xD |
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meepo44
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| 23 Apr 2015 10:54 PM |
Once again... "Giving up their group"
"Give up"
Wot?
Just..
How?
HOW?
JUST BECAUSE THEY DONT LEAD IT ANYMORE MEANS THEY ARE "GIVING IT UP"
:/
Doesn't it just mean combining the group with another and you still being a PART of that group just not AS the leader?
And over a war?
Thats already taken quite seriously?
And it being ONLY a fair war because rules have clauses in them otherwise?
Your POINT? like.
EVER? |
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| 25 Apr 2015 08:36 PM |
| Based off original idea meepo(haven't read all the responces) I think it would improve groups tremendous amounts since you would be getting less groups, but if these wars were to happen, you would have to have some way(preferably roblox side) to prevent everyone from jumping to a new clan, thus defeating the point of the war, or for roblox to force it over in a sense. And also tiered systems so that way you couldn't have 1 clan small or big size(like 30 elite group steam roll a super group and vice-versa) so the more groups you defeat and size choose your tier. |
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meepo44
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| 25 Apr 2015 11:13 PM |
You forget.
One, a smaller group could rise up and with its superior style and tenacity to the larger group and manage to defeat it in a war because the original group was suffering from its self-contrived problems *If they didn't have them then sorry there is no real way i could suggest as to how to beat a full functional group, since they would be the deserving victors of their battles* And simply run over the older group and proclaim themselves the new leaders, and if their bad a new group could overrun THEM.
Two, people leaving to go join new groups or make their own. Not everybody wants to stay with a big clan or they want to try a sword clan or another type of clan so they would simply once again spread out over the clan world.
Three, most importantly of all these reasons is this one and it would be EVEN MORE interesting then the concept i provided here.
You see when a clan is annexed by the larger clan all their members join the winning clan. However. The original clan is added to the allies list and all members of that clan can remain in it. It becomes part of a larger list of small clans that would be the "Families" of the primary clan. Now these clans would start to die off and lose members over time obviously but if the veterans kept their community circles still going, *which happens a lot with regular group structures already* Then potentially if the ruling "family" which is the clan that all the members belong too, if the high command of said group fails in its duties to serve everyone, *going inactive, making bad policy, lacking leadership ability* Then one of the stronger veteran communities could POTENTIALLY rally support to themselves and rip away a good portion of the strength of the primary clan, unallying them and then going to war with the primary clan. If the war was UNACCEPTED by the primary clan they would lose even MORE face with the troops that in this scenario if the ruling clan gave no good reasons not to war the upstart clan then a lot of their loyalists might decide the rulers have gone soft and would join the upstarts. So the only choice would be to accept the war and crush the resisting force. Therefore proving by steel their right to rule.
However. If they lost... All members of the conquered clan would be forced to join the upstart clan as they have proven their superior might and authenticity to rule the clan from then on.
It is debatable. But i believe any OTHER families would have the right once the lead-clan was defeated, to break away from the clan once again. Since they were defeated and pledged loyalty to the primary clan and NOT the clan that defeated them. So suddenly a lot of clans would have been made useless and all the clans underneath the primary clan would just be strings attached to a string and therefore useless. So some people might reclaim their fallen clans to rise again later since it would no longer be treasonous or unsightly to do so. *Any clan that would break their loyalty pact would have a hard time recruiting new members* But since the clan was no longer obligated to serve a defeated empire they would be able to simply start anew, granted they wouldn't have any of their old members, *Which if they betrayed the group they wouldn't anyway* But at least they wouldn't have the reputation dogging them.
There are to many roblox clans as it is that fear nothing and hold no integrity, to many rulers that cannot prove their worth, no effort for their people. And to much spreading of the clan world.
With a new way to wage war starting up, current war would just be "skirmishing" Spend to long skirmishing, and your troops might think you cowards and move on to greater battles. War to much, and be defeated.
I find the concept thrilling and fascinating as well as a VAST improvement of our current war system.
On a side note here.
Bases would start to have to be identical for both sides as to make sure the war was fair, maybe even using a third party developer or EVEN a massively popular battlegrounds game with a wide selection of weapons and maps.
Who knows.
So many possibilities. |
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darkwisp
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| 26 Apr 2015 11:22 AM |
| Meepo, no one is going to do it. |
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meepo44
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| 26 Apr 2015 02:53 PM |
Obviously noone is going to do it dark.
But that's not going to stop me from suggesting it.
And besides.
I might do it. |
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