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Re: Capitalism should be removed from everything.

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Kvave is not online. Kvave
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16 Apr 2015 05:03 PM
Anyone who disagrees will be sent to the gulag.
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16 Apr 2015 05:04 PM
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16 Apr 2015 05:05 PM
then leave roblox as roblox is capitalistic

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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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16 Apr 2015 05:07 PM
the entire modern world as it is wouldn't be as nearly advanced and prosperous if capitalism didn't exist.

the whole reason why globalism occurred was because european nations were so inclined to mercantilism (early form of capitalism) thus through the industrial revolution (ahem capitalism) which brought the world where it is today.
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16 Apr 2015 05:07 PM
feed the rich and screw the poor amirite

Checkmate.
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16 Apr 2015 05:08 PM
Communism is a failure, and socialism is just communism for tots, anyone with half a brain realizes that the best system is a republic with capitalism and regulations.
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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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16 Apr 2015 05:10 PM
literally globalism would take place at a very long rate if we sticked with communistic ideas.


capitalism / mercantilism is the whole reason why the world passed the industrial revolution and is globalized.


communism is a failed idea, karl marx's manifesto is only genuine during the industrial revolution when there were problems with rich and the poor, but after qualities improved many of his own followers decided to leave his political ideology due to capitalism becoming better.


socialism is inherently mixed with capitalism, so social democracy is good
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Kvave is not online. Kvave
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16 Apr 2015 05:18 PM
>the entire modern world as it is wouldn't be as nearly advanced and prosperous if capitalism didn't exist.

the industrial revolution brought our current conditions not capitalism

>Communism is a failure, and socialism is just communism for tots, anyone with half a brain realizes that the best system is a republic with capitalism and regulations.

if by anyone with half a brain you mean anyone who isn't being exploited for their labour and especially anyone who doesn't live in the third world and are being subjected to slave labour and being bombed by drones then sure. the people who don't face those things would think capitalism is the best.

>capitalism / mercantilism is the whole reason why the world passed the industrial revolution and is globalized.

capitalism didn't create the industrial revolution the industrial revolution created capitalism.

>communism is a failed idea, karl marx's manifesto is only genuine during the industrial revolution when there were problems with rich and the poor, but after qualities improved many of his own followers decided to leave his political ideology due to capitalism becoming better.

yes everything in capitalism is wonderful and people aren't being exploited and there aren't imperialist wars and people starving and dying



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16 Apr 2015 05:21 PM
the ussr collapsed, failed
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16 Apr 2015 05:21 PM
yeah sure communism does work





in theory
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16 Apr 2015 05:22 PM
gr8 b8 m8
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Kvave is not online. Kvave
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16 Apr 2015 05:23 PM
>And what do you think made the industrial revolution flourish?

the material conditions of europe
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16 Apr 2015 05:24 PM
There are still problems with the rich and poor but you are a sheltered middle class kid.
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16 Apr 2015 05:27 PM
>the ussr collapsed, failed

the ussr didn't collapse because of communism. communism in russia toppled the old and brutal aristocracy and raised the standard of living significantly. there were significant advancements in education and science and the arts made. communism made russia a world power.
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16 Apr 2015 05:28 PM
>communism made russia a world power.
>russia
>world power
riiiiiight
the US is the most powerful nation,
numbers do not mean victory

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16 Apr 2015 05:29 PM


"the industrial revolution brought our current conditions not capitalism"

CAPITALISM WAS THE WHOLE THING BEHIND THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION.
There were so many flourishing private businesses with workers and owners that were the entire cause for the damn industrial revolution. Do you think communist nutjobs motivated the industrial revolution? No. Infact Karl Marx in his book even complained several times industrial revolution was the source of capitalism and its 'suffering'



"if by anyone with half a brain you mean anyone who isn't being exploited for their labour and especially anyone who doesn't live in the third world and are being subjected to slave labour and being bombed by drones then sure. the people who don't face those things would think capitalism is the best."

Capitalism in first world countries work great, as for third world countries even though there are weak governments with poor regulations, its better than having a communist regime. *cough early china & russia, north korea* Which do actually do force labor, and you actually get paid for your labor, in third world countries, there are downfalls to capitalism due to weaker governments but alot more people actually have jobs due to it.



"capitalism didn't create the industrial revolution the industrial revolution created capitalism."

CAPITALISM EXISTED BEFORE REVOLUTION,CAPITALISM CREATED THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION, EVEN KARL MARX SAYS SO. Even mercantilism existed right during the colonial age which was an early form of capitalism


"yes everything in capitalism is wonderful and people aren't being exploited and there aren't imperialist wars and people starving and dying"

In the modern age conditions are better for pretty much all people, those exhibiting the bad side of capitalism are countries with ill governments, its not that capitalism failed, its because there is a lack of power to regulate it.

As for 'imperialist wars and people starving and dying'

*COUGH COUGH*
COMMUNIST CHINA
*COUGH COUGH*
SOVIET UNION
>There were over 10 million russian civilians who died of famine by their communistic government
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Kvave is not online. Kvave
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>riiiiiight
the US is the most powerful nation,
numbers do not mean victory

world power does not mean most powerful nation
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16 Apr 2015 05:33 PM
"the ussr didn't collapse because of communism. communism in russia toppled the old and brutal aristocracy and raised the standard of living significantly. there were significant advancements in education and science and the arts made. communism made russia a world power."


>USSR Invaded several innocent and neutral countries during ww2, post-ww2,

especially finland, and estonia.

>Russia suffered the most causalities out of any country during world war 2 due to its communist regime causing famine, several million russians starved

>Early communist china suffered serious famine aswell.
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16 Apr 2015 05:35 PM
">riiiiiight
the US is the most powerful nation,
numbers do not mean victory

world power does not mean most powerful nation"

The US doesn't have the 'biggest military' in terms of numbers,
even north korea has more active duty personnel in the military than the US.

the reason why the US is considered one of the most powerful nations is because,

we are the largest economic power
(16.8 trillion GDP, highest, US dollar is international trade money)

we are a strong global political country

we have a pretty great military,
the US has over 200 military bases all around the globe, we even have special continent commands in each continent.
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16 Apr 2015 05:36 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%E2%80%9333#Estimation_of_the_loss_of_life
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16 Apr 2015 05:37 PM
"I'M A CAPITALIST AND I DESERVE MORE RESPECT!!!" ~ Ghosty
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Kvave is not online. Kvave
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16 Apr 2015 05:39 PM
>CAPITALISM WAS THE WHOLE THING BEHIND THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION.
There were so many flourishing private businesses with workers and owners that were the entire cause for the damn industrial revolution. Do you think communist nutjobs motivated the industrial revolution? No. Infact Karl Marx in his book even complained several times industrial revolution was the source of capitalism and its 'suffering'

well first of all karl marx didn't complain about the industrial revolution in fact he thought communism could only arise in nations that were significantly industrialized. other than that the industrial revolution in europe started before capitalism. it was the material conditions that the industrial revolution brought that created the ideals of individualism and liberty and led to many bourgeois revolutions (among them the french and american). to say capitalism brought us these significant advancements in standard of living and industry is simplistic and not materialist at all.

>Capitalism in first world countries work great, as for third world countries even though there are weak governments with poor regulations, its better than having a communist regime. *cough early china & russia, north korea* Which do actually do force labor, and you actually get paid for your labor, in third world countries, there are downfalls to capitalism due to weaker governments but alot more people actually have jobs due to it.

third world countries have weak governments BECAUSE of capitalist imperialism. why do you think so many people have objected to the US's acts of imperialism in the middle east and south america? because they've created instability. they are designed to create instability.

>CAPITALISM EXISTED BEFORE REVOLUTION,CAPITALISM CREATED THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION, EVEN KARL MARX SAYS SO. Even mercantilism existed right during the colonial age which was an early form of capitalism

seeing as karl marx practiced historical materialism that is sooo untrue.

>In the modern age conditions are better for pretty much all people, those exhibiting the bad side of capitalism are countries with ill governments, its not that capitalism failed, its because there is a lack of power to regulate it.

i addressed the 'ill government' part earlier so i'll say that even in the first world people are being harmed by capitalism. pollution and rising inequality and the extraction of surplus labour and greed and corrupt governments and warantless surveillance and the erosion of our rights and rising education costs are among the issues.

>*COUGH COUGH*
COMMUNIST CHINA
*COUGH COUGH*
SOVIET UNION

wow it's so surprising that the soviet union was rampant with paranoia after the biggest war in human history had killed a significant amount of their population and damaged much of their infrastructure and they were being opposed and spied on by every capitalist nation around the world.
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16 Apr 2015 05:40 PM
ITT: POLITICAL DEBATES
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