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Re: CAT | Response to Provolone

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joshua101814 is not online. joshua101814
Joined: 17 Apr 2010
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12 Apr 2015 09:48 PM
Response: http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=160052705

I am rather utmost disappointed in you. Although you were peacefully resigning your position as Second in Command, I'd expect better from you. After reading that forum thread about the experience in CAT, that is completely false. CAT is a far more than what you stated, and for you to bash the group that has done nothing but good things to you is selfish and wrong.

Here I'll make my rebuttals to the points you proclaim are the daily problems that happen in CAT.

>Elite Forces (their RCL team) is almost entirely Merc’d and are given special treatment under the guise of CAT’s rules

>Joshua recruits members to EF, then has them join CAT on an alt, and promotes that alt up a few ranks to disguise their inactivity in the main division

This is false. Our Elite Forces Gun Division is not piled up to mercenaries. We didn't hire anybody, and we've been strict with every clan we scrimmage and fought to be fair, and allow them to check every single of our Elite Forces for legitimacy. Our Elite Forces aren't given any kind of special treatments either. They're in the Elite Forces for the fun it. Not only that, we have Elite Forces on their main account in the Main Division of CAT. The ones who have their alternative accounts are mainly for the fact they don't have space. I'd expect you to know by now, considering you were former Commanding General of CAT. Unlike you who haven't ever been apart of our Elite Forces events, you shouldn't even dare say that we don't take our Elite Forces into serious matter, and the kinds of trainings we go through.


>Members have been known to DOS other CAT members without punishment, disrupt important meetings without so much as a word being said to them, and attend events without uniform or heeding to the rules given by the hosting High Rank.

I've already been through this situation with you. For one, you can't even prove Banished DoS Fragility, and even his brother confirmed to me that he doesn't know how to DoS or exactly know what it is. For you to automatically make assumptions like that, and not even have anything to support that he got DoS makes you look like a bad leader for accusing others. Secondly, if you haven't noticed, our meetings are on a private account that is friend's only. How in the world can members disrupt our meetings if they can't even enter? Not only that, the members who attend events without uniform is mainly the fact that they can't afford the uniform, so they have to use what they're wearing now.

Proof: /ovnUEJu (imgr)


>It’s less known but far more common that High Ranks can do whatever they want as long as they agree with the Commander

This is false. If High Ranks ever disagreed with something, and wanted a voting for it, I'd allow fair voting to happen. I'm not a dictator where everything has to go my way, or it's no way. It's only been you, provolone, where if anything didn't go exactly your way, you would get pissy about it and complain. Even my High Ranks looking back to your Forum Thread you bashed onto me realizes that's all you did if nothing went your way.

Proof: /cyznBFU (imgr)


>Every current high rank has refused to defend from incoming raids at least once or twice, but most have a tally that’s still growing past a dozen

This is false. If we've ever been raided, we would try to take the time to get as many members to defend as much as possible. Most times we get flooded to the point we can't fit enough members to get the raid official, and the group would end up leaving for waiting a long period of time. This isn't our fault, and it's something not even to complain about that you usually do. For you to say that >EVERY< current High Rank refuses defense. I want to see your proof on that.


>High Ranks can also treat lower ranks however they feel, disregard them as human beings entirely, start fights, then try to exile the lower rank for disrespect

Now you're being completely wrong. First off, High Ranks don't even have the power to exile, but the Commander/Commanding General. Secondly, you're making it sound as if the High Ranks in the group are complete tyrants who are nothing but emotionless. You can ask any CAT member that this is not true, and some, if not all, High Ranks are more friendly than you can think of. If an issue ever happened with a High Rank, it would be resolved within the first week or less, depending how large of the situation.


>Black List

First off, we have our Black List purposely for people who commit treason to the group or do obscene hatred. For people who try to make large threats of damaging
others computer or say things that are completely vulgar and are constantly a problem, don't need to be apart of our team. For their are a lot of CAT members who are friends with Black Listed member, because of the sake of the good times they had with each other, but don't understand that I do what I need to solely for the
protection of the group.


>Ask VAK, RM, RAM, or any other clan they've supposedly “beaten” in the past 4 years; even though their bases are unfair, they constantly secretly refuse to defend

Ok, now you're becoming funny. First off, our war with Vaktovia was declared a tie, and I've even stated to CAT that we successfully ended the war in a tie. Our war with RM and RAM are still currently going, and we have never made a statement that we've currently 'beaten' them. Unless you can prove that, provolone, your statement is a complete lie. Secondly, how is it that you say our base is completely fair when you were Commanding General in CAT, then decide to say it's unfair? Our base is probably one of the most fairest it can be, Vaktovia declared war on us solely because of the enjoyment and fairness of our base. You still can't prove we 'refuse' to defend.


>At least a few times, they've tried to bully the opposite clan into a final battle on the third day of the war

>Also on the list of incredulous acts are, unsurprisingly, declaring autowins, admin abuse, breaking fort rules, etc

First off, we can't 'bully' anybody into anything. We never had a Final Battle with RM, RAM, or VAK for the matter. It was only a suggestion to them that even you agreed to go for. Not only that, myself and my High Ranks can't recall a time where we've declared auto-wins, admin abuse, and break our fort rules. Where's your proof to all of that, provolone? Why are you making statements you can't even prove?

Proof: /NnvnNDK (imgr)


What's really funny to all of this is that you were Commanding General of CAT, who has the same exact powers as I do. Whenever I'm off trying to work my head off at work, and ensure you a list of errands that is needed done for CAT for the day. What do you do? Nothing. All of this complaining, you're blaming it on me, but you never considered to what did you do in this situation. You did absolutely nothing to contribute to the problems, issues, everything you felt was going wrong in CAT. Sure, you contributed to CAT by making us uniforms >last year<, but we had to beg you to do that for us.

A really disappointing person you are.

~CAT Commander~
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NightBladeFighter is not online. NightBladeFighter
Joined: 27 Aug 2013
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12 Apr 2015 09:53 PM
SHOTS FIRED
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DemonTitan is not online. DemonTitan
Joined: 25 Apr 2010
Total Posts: 12775
12 Apr 2015 09:55 PM
Did CAT just respond to a type of Cheese?

Well it only makes sense...
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silentfox123 is not online. silentfox123
Joined: 28 Jun 2010
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12 Apr 2015 09:55 PM
tl;dr
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Convict1337 is not online. Convict1337
Joined: 07 Apr 2011
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12 Apr 2015 09:59 PM
You tell him commander.
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Convict1337 is not online. Convict1337
Joined: 07 Apr 2011
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12 Apr 2015 10:02 PM
"mercs"

provolone just stop, we HAVE NO MERCS

I'm assure of it because some alts have no group space you can't just claim with your assumptions unless you have proof otherwise.

I've exile most of the CAT EF that were not in the main divison.

Quit with the bull crap.
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Compunction is not online. Compunction
Joined: 18 Mar 2013
Total Posts: 12661
12 Apr 2015 10:20 PM
josh is a little girl

A Feelin Of Gilt Or Mowral Scroople That Followes The Dooing Of Somthing Bade
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provolone is not online. provolone
Joined: 03 May 2008
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12 Apr 2015 10:26 PM
I tried to resign peacefully, then you started bullying me and my friends who were still in CAT about the fact I disagreed with you.

About EF, explain teethgrain and other members who were randomly promoted as soon as they joined EF.

About refusing to defend, you've refused to defend 2 raids today, one yesterday. Just because you didn't say "Well, let's not defend." doesn't change the fact that you ignored the skyp messages from other high ranks telling you that you were being raided.

About bullying other clans to Final Battle, was that a different Joshua101814 who told RM they were surrendering if they didn't do a final battle in the first week of the war?

About the blacklist, you literally blacklisted at least 5 members for talking to ex-blacklist members. You're going to have to blacklist more if I'm on that list yet.

About me having the same powers you do, every decision I made was undone. I demoted High Ranks for doing dumb things but they were repromoted. As far as EF punishments, I don't have group space for other divisions, so it's your own fault.

About the uniforms, you got them for FREE.

Also, for anyone else who cares, he begs people for money saying it's their "obligation to CAT" to donate whatever they have.
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Convict1337 is not online. Convict1337
Joined: 07 Apr 2011
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12 Apr 2015 10:33 PM
"About EF, explain teethgrain and other members who were randomly promoted as soon as they joined EF."

Stop right there, they were not randomly promoted they were actually active.
Balance and teeth are active but sadly they're gmt's.

Stop your invalid assumptions moron.


" As far as EF punishments, I don't have group space for other divisions, so it's your own fault."

I deal with the EF punishments.

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provolone is not online. provolone
Joined: 03 May 2008
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12 Apr 2015 10:36 PM
@convict teethgrain was accepted to CAT and given a 3 rank promotion within 2 minutes of each other, and demote banished, he's been DOSing CAT members and demote Infinite for raiding allies in CAT uniform. :]
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ezaiahs is not online. ezaiahs
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12 Apr 2015 10:36 PM
and
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Synoan is not online. Synoan
Joined: 31 Aug 2012
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12 Apr 2015 10:37 PM
CAT EF is bad anyway
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Immoralities is not online. Immoralities
Joined: 16 Feb 2014
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12 Apr 2015 10:37 PM
agreed with ssk

O_O
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Convict1337 is not online. Convict1337
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12 Apr 2015 10:39 PM
@convict teethgrain was accepted to CAT and given a 3 rank promotion within 2 minutes of each other, and demote banished, he's been DOSing CAT members and demote Infinite for raiding allies in CAT uniform

Banished dosing?
Unless I have proof of this, I won't punish crap towards him.

Infinite raiding allies in CAT uniform
Won't punish unless I see proof.




And teethgrain, I rather see the logs just incase.
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Convict1337 is not online. Convict1337
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12 Apr 2015 10:40 PM
CAT EF is bad anyway

Scrimmage us??

wait you declined our scrimmage before.. http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=155975942
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ClearStatic is not online. ClearStatic
Joined: 04 Nov 2011
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12 Apr 2015 10:40 PM
Isn't provolone a type of cheese?
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Immoralities is not online. Immoralities
Joined: 16 Feb 2014
Total Posts: 5156
12 Apr 2015 10:41 PM
hey remember when cat ef had their only decent active member iloyalcommando??
i wonder where he is now

oh yeah blacklisted
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Jammintoad is not online. Jammintoad
Joined: 08 Feb 2009
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12 Apr 2015 10:41 PM
dam sasuke rekt
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Convict1337 is not online. Convict1337
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12 Apr 2015 10:42 PM
iloyal makes us lose scrimmages

good he's blacklisted
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Immoralities is not online. Immoralities
Joined: 16 Feb 2014
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12 Apr 2015 10:43 PM
that thread you linked is hilarious because nobody ever answered my question

O_O
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joshua101814 is not online. joshua101814
Joined: 17 Apr 2010
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12 Apr 2015 11:02 PM
>I tried to resign peacefully, then you started bullying me and my friends who were still in CAT about the fact I disagreed with you.

Ok, again. Nobody is getting 'bullied'. If you were to disagree something that I decided, you could've been a gentlemen to compromise instead of complain it to the entire Clans and Guilds forum. Unless you can prove I was 'bullying' someone, and I never bullied anyone for the matter, your statement is invalid.

>About EF, explain teethgrain and other members who were randomly promoted as soon as they joined EF.

First off, Teethgrain isn't in Elite Forces?

Proof: /KbF2Mze (imgr)


>About refusing to defend, you've refused to defend 2 raids today, one yesterday. Just because you didn't say "Well, let's not defend." doesn't change the fact that you ignored the skyp messages from other high ranks telling you that you were being raided.

Uh, last I checked, we successfully defended twice today. As for what I can see, I wasn't ignoring any High Rank whenever we got raided.

Proof: /lM6muNt (imgr)

>About bullying other clans to Final Battle, was that a different Joshua101814 who told RM they were surrendering if they didn't do a final battle in the first week of the war?

Really? I want you to find proof of me stating they're surrendering if they didn't do a Final Battle. Good luck, and I'll be checking back to see if your statement was ever true.

>About the blacklist, you literally blacklisted at least 5 members for talking to ex-blacklist members. You're going to have to blacklist more if I'm on that list yet.

Five? Give me the list of these 'five' members. Every member in CAT who know about the Black-List, know what is right or wrong. If they did something wrong, they know they will deserve the consequence. You made it seem as if every single member was new to CAT, and has no idea what this 'Black List' is, and that we should be open to whatever happens to the clan.


>About me having the same powers you do, every decision I made was undone. I demoted High Ranks for doing dumb things but they were re-promoted. As far as EF punishments, I don't have group space for other divisions, so it's your own fault.

First off, name the High Ranks who were 're-promoted' for doing dumb things. I never stated you had to punish EF , I was closing over EF and who was legitimate in the group or not. Now you're stating that since you don't have group space to see the Elite Forces, it's my fault? Hysterical, provolone. Maybe if you did some critical thinking, you could've used your official alternative account to look at the other divisions to see yourself what's happening.


>Also, for anyone else who cares, he begs people for money saying it's their "obligation to CAT" to donate whatever they have.

Oh! It's their 'obligation to CAT'. I want you to find proof of that, provolone! Yeah, I won't deny I'll ask CAT members if they're willing to donate, but if they
can't or not willing to, I don't make a hassle over it or force them to do something they saved up for. It is out of CAT members generosity to donate to the group, and for you trying to make it sound as if I'm some tyrant without proof to back-up your claim.

You can't win this one, provolone.

It's sad that I trusted you with whatever I had, and you decide to take it for granted.

Pitiful.

~CAT Commander~
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Immoralities is not online. Immoralities
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12 Apr 2015 11:05 PM
does anyone actually read these word walls
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Valhalas is not online. Valhalas
Joined: 24 Sep 2011
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12 Apr 2015 11:19 PM
"CAT EF is bad anyway

Scrimmage us??"

is asking to scrimmage raa
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Compunction is not online. Compunction
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12 Apr 2015 11:54 PM
could you stop being dumb and making these wordwalls @josh

A Feelin Of Gilt Or Mowral Scroople That Followes The Dooing Of Somthing Bade
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SteveoDash is not online. SteveoDash
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13 Apr 2015 12:10 AM
CAT's leader Josh doesn't know how to lead but sure knows how to wordwall
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