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Re: Lets debate about rights to own guns('Murica)

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Specializinq is not online. Specializinq
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17 Mar 2015 06:45 PM
It's completely necessary to own a weapon of choice to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government or individuals who are committing illegal acts against society. Despite the fact that the rate of murder has significantly increased throughout the early 2000's, we should be able to protect ourselves IF we are being directly threatened by another person or group. Abolishing this right is completely unconstitutional according to the "COTUS", and would evidently contradict the words of our founding fathers in America.

What's your perception of the right to own guns, OT?
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Specializinq is not online. Specializinq
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17 Mar 2015 06:48 PM
asfd
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SupahBoshi64 is not online. SupahBoshi64
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17 Mar 2015 06:49 PM
The criminals ruin it for the responsibles.
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mongoose764 is not online. mongoose764
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17 Mar 2015 06:49 PM
"It's completely necessary to own a weapon of choice to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government or individuals who are committing illegal acts against society."

Period. Though I don't believe ALL weapons should be legal to citizens.
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xXScriptzXx is not online. xXScriptzXx
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17 Mar 2015 06:50 PM
*America
I HATE WHEN PEOPLE SAY 'MURICA. IT MAKES IT SOUND CIVILIZED/NON-CORRUPT/GOOD
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TheChangerDB is not online. TheChangerDB
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17 Mar 2015 06:50 PM
...aaand you think the criminals give a damn about laws?

"What say you?"
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Specializinq is not online. Specializinq
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17 Mar 2015 06:52 PM
"...aaand you think the criminals give a damn about laws?"

Of course they do, but they don't follow it
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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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17 Mar 2015 06:53 PM
here's my opinion
>opinion, not claiming anything as an ethical fact or anything


the USA is going to keep guns, its apart of our culture,heritage, and it brings alot of income to our economy and gives people jobs.

In my little perfect america, there would be a ban on certain guns and equipment, via automatic weapons, extended magazines, 'military grade' guns, silencers, etc.

just to put into perspective.


Finland, another country, has alot of guns and similar gun rights in the united states.

Over 60% of the population owns guns.
and gun crime, and any crime at all is very low, especially so for a nordic country.

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EndingFanfare is not online. EndingFanfare
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17 Mar 2015 06:55 PM
This should be illegal because of the fact that a lot of the people who murder use a gun. Yes, it is true that we should be able to defend ourselves, but it does not always have to be with a gun. In my opinion, the only people who should use then are officers, this would decrease the murder rate by a point. This can also benefit every school system, as a school murder would be rare.
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MikeTheSpike451 is not online. MikeTheSpike451
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17 Mar 2015 06:56 PM
Guns should only be available to the government,military, and the law and order departments, and if guns were illegal then criminals would never have had a gun to kill someone, sure they can get a knife but a gun is a lot more threatening and dangerous
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mongoose764 is not online. mongoose764
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17 Mar 2015 06:57 PM
"Guns should only be available to the government,military, and the law and order departments, and if guns were illegal then criminals would never have had a gun to kill someone, sure they can get a knife but a gun is a lot more threatening and dangerous"

LMFAO! THAT IS HILARIOUS!
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Specializinq is not online. Specializinq
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17 Mar 2015 06:57 PM
"This should be illegal because of the fact that a lot of the people who murder use a gun. Yes, it is true that we should be able to defend ourselves, but it does not always have to be with a gun. In my opinion, the only people who should use then are officers, this would decrease the murder rate by a point. This can also benefit every school system, as a school murder would be rare."

If the right to own a gun is taken away, then how many other rights will be taken away as well?

Off the bat, it just seems unconstitutional.
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RequestNoli is not online. RequestNoli
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17 Mar 2015 06:59 PM
Making guns hard to get DOES NOT DO S***
People still get Weed, people still would get guns!
Some people would go as far as killing cops for guns.
Mexicans would give Americans guns. It would do JACK S***
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mongoose764 is not online. mongoose764
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17 Mar 2015 07:00 PM
"This should be illegal because of the fact that a lot of the people who murder use a gun. Yes, it is true that we should be able to defend ourselves, but it does not always have to be with a gun. In my opinion, the only people who should use then are officers, this would decrease the murder rate by a point. This can also benefit every school system, as a school murder would be rare."

Yes. A ban on guns would work just as easily as a ban on cocaine. I mean, the US is void of cocaine since it's illegal, right? And the government would never and has never killed its citizens before, right?
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Specializinq is not online. Specializinq
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17 Mar 2015 07:01 PM
"Guns should only be available to the government,military, and the law and order departments, and if guns were illegal then criminals would never have had a gun to kill someone, sure they can get a knife but a gun is a lot more threatening and dangerous"

>departments

The police department is so corrupt today its ridiculous,
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MikeTheSpike451 is not online. MikeTheSpike451
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17 Mar 2015 07:02 PM
Honestly now that im rethinking this, guns should have NEVER been legal, but now its too late since almost all the citizens in america owns guns it would be impossible to recollect them and would cost a lot of money to recollect the guns, guns should be illegal to citizens but its too late now so i guess we have to deal with it...
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EndingFanfare is not online. EndingFanfare
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17 Mar 2015 07:03 PM
True, you have a valid point. However, by 'pros' I mean military, officers, so on.. In my opinion, gun rights have gone to far, as crazy people will shoot up a school, commit a murder, so on so forth. How many of those had to do with a knife?
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TaiWolf1234 is not online. TaiWolf1234
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17 Mar 2015 07:04 PM
Would it be a stretch to compare the ban of firearms to Prohibition in the 1920's? Because I imagine illegalizing firearms would escalate tensions and only make matters worse.

I feel the same way about marijuana. Although I'm not in favor of using it, wouldn't it be more effective to educate the youth on how to use it responsibly than to ban it nationwide and fill our prisons with stoners?
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SilencedMurder is not online. SilencedMurder
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17 Mar 2015 07:05 PM
i learned to shoot guns at a young age

now me and my dad own 3 in total

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mongoose764 is not online. mongoose764
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17 Mar 2015 07:05 PM
"In my opinion, gun rights have gone to far, as crazy people will shoot up a school, commit a murder, so on so forth."

Those aren't gun rights.
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Lhommedelheure is not online. Lhommedelheure
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17 Mar 2015 07:05 PM
>"It's completely necessary to own a weapon of choice to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government"

cuz u and ya buddy bubba r gonna tayk on da obama all bai yoselvs!

>" or individuals who are committing illegal acts against society."

That's what police are for.
Vigilantes are dangerous for society.
Carrying out your own laws, even if it's just, is only a temporary solution and usually only leads to more tyranny as governments strengthen their laws to prevent more vigilantes.

The most successful way to help stop illegal acts against society is through legislation. Get better police, better laws to help deal with these people, etc. Taking it into your own hands will only make it worse.

>"Despite the fact that the rate of murder has significantly increased throughout the early 2000's, we should be able to protect ourselves IF we are being directly threatened by another person or group"

Except it's nuts like you wanting guns to shoot each other who are driving up the murder rates!

>"Abolishing this right is completely unconstitutional according to the "COTUS""

Well, yes, no one wants to ban guns. Not even the most die-hard liberal thinks that.

We should just have strict gun control. As long as you can demonstrate you are of sound mind and have no criminal background, I think you are entitled to no more than a semi-automatic with a limited clip capacity.

You need no more than a couple bullets to defend yourself.
You need no more than a couple bullets to hunt.

>"and would evidently contradict the words of our founding fathers in America."

Let me read what your beloved, divine, all perfect founding fathers wrote in the Constitution of the United States.

"Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, ->three fifths of all other Persons<-."

- Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3

Sure, the founding fathers were brilliant for their times, but this is no longer their times. We know more. We're more educated than they are. We can make decisions better than they can because we are actually living in this time right here and right now.

The reason they allowed the Constitution to be amended is because they knew things would change, and that laws would need to be altered. They didn't believe in this ridiculous conservatism, they were progressives of their time, and if they were alive today, they would be the progressives of this time.
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Praetoriane is not online. Praetoriane
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17 Mar 2015 07:06 PM
Guns are only for regulated militia, you as an individual are not regulated militia. Besides, your militia is state-controlled and funded.

So I don't believe citizens should be able to easily buy a gun, not without a difficult process of proving identity to militia or having a proper hunting license. (I don't enjoy the idea of hunting, but animals must die to maintain crops to feed the populous.)


If we went into Marshall Law anyways, we'd be outgunned, as they'd have military grade equipment, much better than your Winchester rifle.
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MikeTheSpike451 is not online. MikeTheSpike451
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17 Mar 2015 07:07 PM
Im saying that instead of a gun they could use a knife but knife is less threatening then a gun, so if there was a school shooting or something like that they could only kill zero or one kid with a knife but hey its a lot better then 24 kids dying...
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GoshiDoll is not online. GoshiDoll
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17 Mar 2015 07:09 PM
Well all I can say is no matter what at this point in time, someone somewhere in the United States will be able to get a gun from another country unless every gun in the world is destroyed.
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EndingFanfare is not online. EndingFanfare
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17 Mar 2015 07:09 PM
Now that I rethink my opinion through, it is irrational for a full out ban. Maybe if someone would want to buy a gun, maybe they could do a legal check for any PUBLIC record that shows any 'bad points' against them?
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