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Re: i support net neutrality, but i dont think it will happen

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Permyriad is not online. Permyriad
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15 Feb 2015 11:26 PM
hear me out
the ISPs provide you internet
it's literally there product
they can do whatever they want with it
sorry folks

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0nesh0t is not online. 0nesh0t
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15 Feb 2015 11:27 PM
The internet was made to break boundaries, not create them.

Checkmate.
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Permyriad is not online. Permyriad
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15 Feb 2015 11:28 PM
@0ne
yeah,
but the ISPs are making buttloads of money from their internet they are selling you, why should they just give up?

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evilishnessII is not online. evilishnessII
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15 Feb 2015 11:29 PM
It very well can, will, and is happening.

It's just that it bends with the whim of commercial gods..

So really it's entirely worthless.
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planedragon is not online. planedragon
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15 Feb 2015 11:30 PM
it onvolves freedom of speech
and monopolies
and lobbying
a lot of lobbying
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0nesh0t is not online. 0nesh0t
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15 Feb 2015 11:30 PM
They should've taken a hint from SOPA of just how many people genuinely valued their privacy and freedom on the internet. This is pretty much just a re-run of that episode, and they should be expecting the same results. They might as well quit while they're ahead.

Checkmate.
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planedragon is not online. planedragon
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15 Feb 2015 11:32 PM
as well as they're getting money from comcast/twc...
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Permyriad is not online. Permyriad
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15 Feb 2015 11:32 PM
you are forgetting the ISPs have power over your internet
let's say you are a huge supporter and one of the main leaders of the net neutrality movement?
you could get a letter from verizon, your ISP, saying
"oops, there was an issue in the servers and your internet was shut down. we aint fixing it cause you are trying to steal our money, have fun"
they're selling you internet, they can do what they want w/ it

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Permyriad is not online. Permyriad
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15 Feb 2015 11:34 PM
@0ne
SOPA did teach everyone lessons.
I would rather have privacy over security any day.
but SOPA is a government bill
this is just private companies being jackasses

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planedragon is not online. planedragon
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15 Feb 2015 11:34 PM
"you are forgetting the ISPs have power over your internet
let's say you are a huge supporter and one of the main leaders of the net neutrality movement?
you could get a letter from verizon, your ISP, saying
"oops, there was an issue in the servers and your internet was shut down. we aint fixing it cause you are trying to steal our money, have fun"
they're selling you internet, they can do what they want w/ it"
the U.N classifies internet access as a human right
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Permyriad is not online. Permyriad
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15 Feb 2015 11:36 PM
@plane
access to food is also a basic human right according to the U.N, but the super markets aren't giving out their food for free and they can sure as hell kick anyone out that is making a ruckus inside to turn the super market into a soup kitchen

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planedragon is not online. planedragon
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15 Feb 2015 11:38 PM
"access to food is also a basic human right according to the U.N, but the super markets aren't giving out their food for free and they can sure as hell kick anyone out that is making a ruckus inside to turn the super market into a soup kitchen"
then again, the U.N doesn't really seem to have much power over these matters


if the masses care about net neutrality
then it will become an eventuality instead of a possibility
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Permyriad is not online. Permyriad
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15 Feb 2015 11:39 PM
@plane
if the government makes net neutrality a thing, the ISPs are going to stop selling internet, it's that simple.
they lost control over their product, whats the point in selling it?
then no one has internet
everyone loses

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davinhi1 is not online. davinhi1
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15 Feb 2015 11:40 PM
for freedom
now get out you idiot

je sais que vous aimez le son
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planedragon is not online. planedragon
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15 Feb 2015 11:40 PM
"if the government makes net neutrality a thing, the ISPs are going to stop selling internet, it's that simple.
they lost control over their product, whats the point in selling it?
then no one has internet
everyone loses"
someone somewhere will take advantage of the situation
and then the cycle will repeat
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Permyriad is not online. Permyriad
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15 Feb 2015 11:42 PM
@plane
then what are they gonna do? start their own ISP?

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Permyriad is not online. Permyriad
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15 Feb 2015 11:48 PM
bumptojmg

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planedragon is not online. planedragon
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15 Feb 2015 11:49 PM
"then what are they gonna do? start their own ISP?"
i guess.
someone with enough money to lay the lines
or acquire the preexisting lines

this is assuming that ALL ISPs stop providing internet, which is unlikely
sure, the US is practically a TWC/comcast monopoly, but in areas where there are more providers, the business will flourish, because that's their only option
and then those ISPs grow.
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Permyriad is not online. Permyriad
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15 Feb 2015 11:52 PM
@planes
you don't realize how costly that is, right?
even bill gates can't start a free ISP and keep it running HIMSELF without needing employees eventually to pay, and then eventually put a price and thus the cycle continues

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planedragon is not online. planedragon
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15 Feb 2015 11:57 PM
"you don't realize how costly that is, right?
even bill gates can't start a free ISP and keep it running HIMSELF without needing employees eventually to pay, and then eventually put a price and thus the cycle continues"
bill gates is not as wealthy as he used to be
i am not saying that internet will be provided for free
i am saying that if the nation wants internet, someone will jump at the opportunity
smaller ISPs will eventually gain traction and expand
and why would comcast/twc just suddenly stop providing an internet service?
isn't less money better than no money at all?
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Permyriad is not online. Permyriad
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16 Feb 2015 12:03 AM
@plan
even so, if they don't offer much for the internet, at that rate, they'd probably be losing money

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lookfatal is not online. lookfatal
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16 Feb 2015 12:03 AM
ok... imagine paying for internet.... imagine poor people...... ok now imagine how much knowledge is on the internet.... now imagine poor people not having access to that all because of a company that's already wealthy enough wanting more money
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planedragon is not online. planedragon
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16 Feb 2015 12:05 AM
people would rather have bad internet than no internet
the standard drops drastically when there is high demand for low quality
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Permyriad is not online. Permyriad
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16 Feb 2015 12:06 AM
@look
these companies pay for their servers, they pay employees, they have literally NO reason to give out the internet, THEIR internet for free.
that's like protesting that apple should give out it's computers for free because it can connect to the internet

i support NN, but i also support realism. and those two aint complying

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planedragon is not online. planedragon
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16 Feb 2015 12:11 AM
"these companies pay for their servers, they pay employees, they have literally NO reason to give out the internet, THEIR internet for free.
that's like protesting that apple should give out it's computers for free because it can connect to the internet

i support NN, but i also support realism. and those two aint complying"
once again
"i am not saying that internet will be provided for free"
"I AM NOT SAYING THAT INTERNET WILL BE PROVIDED FOR FREE"
i am saying that there is an opportunity to profit off of the demand for internet where there is o other provider available
and then you can manipulate prices all you want
until people get sick of it.
this is called a monopoly.
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