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Pragmatist is not online. Pragmatist
Joined: 17 Oct 2008
Total Posts: 16170
05 Jan 2015 07:59 PM
So, I'm not really sure that you all are getting the picture correctly. I've put almost a months worth of time scrapping code and working on great things for CONEX. I've finished the unfinished project of 2014. I basically finished everything that Obtention couldn't get done. Obtention was hiring scripters out of the blue, and began wanting to offer ROBUX to find a good one toward the end.

I don't know if you remember when Obtention quit TRICON. This little "dream" he had? He had gotten items from people like Eraticus and sold FMS (something that Voile and I developed) for a Firebrand to sell. I remember when Obtention got mad at me for taking the Vesp deal for TSD and only giving him a portion. His reason? "TSD was MY group." Anyhow, all of this money he ended up getting, he DevExed. So all of that money given to him for "his dream?" It was DevExed.

Back to the topic of TSD...
There would have been no Punisher, no scripted and complete FMS, not a dozen or more victories on the RAA, and more. You all think Obtention is so great? Let's remember those automatic victories. The same victories in TSD that I advised against.

Hm, what else is there? The unjustifiable fact that Obtention likes to pile this on me, yet during the development of CONEX, he was actually YELLED at for how annoying he acted and I even said I'd get rid of him because of his behavior on C&G. The unprincipled acts against the Urban Assault Forces on our initial "power-clan" release. The threats toward several clans while we were in-dev, expecting us to be great enough to beat any clan. Hell, Obtention even wanted me to war my own ex-clan, Sleet Clan. While SC was being assaulted, in the last week of beta development, he shouted for a raid to help WIJ against SC. I yelled at him for this.

So, through this holiday break, I had several troubles with my family. Financially, and emotionally. I wish to not share full details, but there is a certain member of the family with pancreatic cancer and it happens to be terminal.

ANYWAY!
Another thing that got me going is this:
http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=153361029

"- Stopped working
- Finished some CONEX stuff for release
- Barely worked"

These three bullets piss me off. It's telling me I don't have the right to procrastinate, when I AM the developer. I don't have deadlines, and if I don't want to work, I DON'T HAVE TO. :D

"Like the times before. Prag doesn't have my 'permission' to lead CONEX alone, no torch will be passed."
Obtention made a group called "League of Slaughter" that repeatedly raided and ravaged The Steel Gladium. I had ambitions for TSG, and he basically stepped on them because I was somehow copying him. He forgets that everything that was his, would not have been had I not been there with him all along.

Sorry, but, Obtention killed TRICON. I've continued everything that he has failed on. He even failed to get a trustworthy graphics designer, and got people scammed, including himself. Who pays FIRST for unfinished graphics? Sorry, that's just another thing that pissed me off.

The worst part about graphics designers? We had one. The reason he stopped working for us is because he realized Obtention was going to stay Premier.

"I wish I never led with Pragmatist. I wish I learned how to develop for myself months ago, so I could've achieved my dream sooner."
That's the thing... Obtention has no capability of doing this, and this is why I was bet bottom dollar with TSD.


I don't have to be leached on and relied on anymore. You all hate me also for leaving TSD? Haha! I'd go into detail why I left TSD even moreso than my own resignation thread, but I would never go as far as screwing over Obtention, because I apparently already have!

In the darkness of all of this, I was enlightened. Several friends have told me that they don't wanna join CONEX because Obtention is in it. Several friends AND foes have told me that Obtention is bound to just screw my work up for this group. So, I decided that I'd ignore him and just focus on what I want to do.

I don't know if you know what I've done for CONEX, even if others had done a lot for it too. I might be pissing off a lot of people doing this, perhaps even friends, but I don't wish to do this anymore. I'm keeping the group - maybe I'll change my mind.

So...
Feel free to despise me for wanting to do what I want to do. This game may have things like reputation, but in the end, it's all fun and games of YOUR choice. I wouldn't despise any of you on what you do (unless it's absolutely stupid).


Sorry if I'm somehow the bad guy. I didn't know trying to continue a good friend's group (just how I wanted Seviro to have his ideas and his dream started in the Arenirian Sovereignty) was a bad thing. I guess I don't like working with people when they're tyrannic or have many, many issues.
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Iysander is not online. Iysander
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05 Jan 2015 08:00 PM
KERBLAM
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Vluchari is not online. Vluchari
Joined: 28 Mar 2011
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05 Jan 2015 08:01 PM
Why did you let him 2iC of CONEX then?



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Dynerov is not online. Dynerov
Joined: 21 Jul 2014
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05 Jan 2015 08:01 PM
tl;dr

-_-_-_-Support the Church of Samuel L. Jackson!-_-_-_-
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Boletarian is not online. Boletarian
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05 Jan 2015 08:01 PM
tldr
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elijahiscool is not online. elijahiscool
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05 Jan 2015 08:02 PM
Wheres the proof?
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QuantumSoul is not online. QuantumSoul
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05 Jan 2015 08:02 PM
tl;dr


i like donuts with the crust cut off
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xMaleden is not online. xMaleden
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05 Jan 2015 08:02 PM
Very well said.
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Pragmatist is not online. Pragmatist
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05 Jan 2015 08:03 PM
I have nothing against you elijah but you've been on my ass for too long. There's enough proof around.

Witnesses and the people that were in TSD can vouch.
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BlazingCuriosity is not online. BlazingCuriosity
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05 Jan 2015 08:03 PM
#InPragWeTrust
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Igniited is not online. Igniited
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05 Jan 2015 08:03 PM
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TheMedievalist is not online. TheMedievalist
Joined: 08 Jan 2010
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05 Jan 2015 08:03 PM
Why'd you allow him as 2iC?
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cw2326 is not online. cw2326
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05 Jan 2015 08:03 PM
i wouldve done the graphics for free if y'all would've asked :/

cw2326/learnt
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Coltguard is not online. Coltguard
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05 Jan 2015 08:03 PM
Obtention:

Points out flaws with Pragmatist and CONEX

Pragmatist:

Points out flaws with Obtention and TSD

Good job you both effectively proved you're as bad as each other.
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Daethduart is not online. Daethduart
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05 Jan 2015 08:04 PM
first page
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Loveydovy is not online. Loveydovy
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05 Jan 2015 08:04 PM
tl;dr


ᶠʳᶦᵉᶰᵈˢʰᶦᵖ ᶦˢ ᶫᶦᵏᵉ ᵖᵉᵉᶦᶰᵍ ᵒᶰ ʸᵒᵘʳˢᵉᶫᶠ﹕ ᵉᵛᵉʳʸᵒᶰᵉ ᶜᵃᶰ ˢᵉᵉ ᶦᵗ, ᵇᵘᵗ ᵒᶰᶫʸ ʸᵒᵘ ᵍᵉᵗ ᵗʰᵉ ʷᵃʳᵐ ᶠᵉᵉᶫᶦᶰᵍ ᵗʰᵃᵗ ᶦᵗ ᵇʳᶦᶰᵍˢ⋅ ⁻ᴿ⋅ ᴮᶫᵒᶜʰ
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Olethrus is not online. Olethrus
Joined: 24 May 2012
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05 Jan 2015 08:05 PM
is it really leaching when you plan on running a clan together?

usually one does the planning and the other does the deving so...
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SpecSlayer is not online. SpecSlayer
Joined: 03 Dec 2011
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05 Jan 2015 08:05 PM
Drama drama dramaaaaaaa
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WVfighter is not online. WVfighter
Joined: 10 Apr 2010
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05 Jan 2015 08:05 PM
honestly even if you were wrong it doesn't matter because it's your clan

screw anyone else who faults you for making a decision you thought was right when it's your clan to begin with
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DieSoft is online. DieSoft
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05 Jan 2015 08:05 PM
Well Obtention isn't known for being good with developers. Something we learned from watching TRICON, not sure why you even bothered with him.

:)
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elijahiscool is not online. elijahiscool
Joined: 06 Jul 2009
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05 Jan 2015 08:05 PM
Yes because I'm the ass for exposing your power play with UCR, sounds about right.
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TempusDominion is not online. TempusDominion
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05 Jan 2015 08:06 PM
Shouldn't have let him be SiC

Either way, good luck.
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groovyclone is not online. groovyclone
Joined: 17 Apr 2010
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05 Jan 2015 08:07 PM
There's no maybes if you will keep the group, there's only a positive, you WILL keep Conex.

Also, something funny I saw while reading this
"There would have been no Punisher,"
died lololololol

Anyway, we don't need Obtention, we have Prag, I've basically been stalking his profile EVERYDAY, and most of the time I see him in his testing place or whatever.
Reason I stalk his profile is to see if any of the bases open

so gg no re
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Pragmatist is not online. Pragmatist
Joined: 17 Oct 2008
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05 Jan 2015 08:07 PM
Slayer, his thread clearly says there's a flaw between the both of us working together, when I was fully relied on.

I had no flaws with CONEX, I was just busy, and naive. UCR? Disregarding elijah and the empty proof of my intentions, I wished to help that group, and since I do not lead a clan, I may do so even if Growncool owns the group.
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SecutorIV is not online. SecutorIV
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05 Jan 2015 08:08 PM
So what happens now.
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