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Re: CAT's Evidence Against VAK Debunked

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TheForumingFishstick is not online. TheForumingFishstick
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30 Dec 2014 05:33 PM
Firstly, I'd like to say that Joshua has a lot more solid evidence and all of his facts are 10 times more relevant than the garbage xMal pulled from his behind. I would take xMal's garbage with a grain of salt because EL has broken many terms of war and has little substantial evidence to support his claims. Here is a thread completely destroying the EL argument:

http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=152767975

I would like to say that I believe CAT is an upstanding group and functional as well. However, many of the points that were brought up can be disproven.
Let us begin.

">Two hour raid cap on all bases. In Province of Roswell, our raid cap doesn't start until the server is official. Vaktovia's Snowy Moon Outpost (SMO) raid cap starts as soon as a person joins the server, whether the raid is official or not. This is unfair."

>>>This is not a breach in terms of war. You can update your base to include the same. You failed to specify the update to the time in the original terms AND at summit.

“”>In a defence, the recruits and allies of a clan count as 0.5 to make a raid official. [EL only counts allies as 0.5, all EL members count as 1]
"In the summit, we agreed to the fact of Stage 4 & 5 VACCINE's counting as ONE [1] defender at SMO. Yesterday (12/29/14), we found a Stage 5 VACCINE being present, and the server not being made official with the needed amount there too.
Proof: /YVWN1Co"”

>>> The official cap to intiate a raid is seven. DemonTitan, wildphillie, Trektus, and Idrialite count as one. BlizzardDefect, Tycoonist23, reno951, and Secula count as 0.5. However, Gagaoh1515 is a Stage 5 VAC, which should have set the official capture official. However, this would require that the summit brought about the unanimous agreement of the term change. This has not been officially confirmed yet. Also, if this agreement happened, they have a reasonable amount of time to install the update, as they would have to change multiple scripts on SMO to accommodate this. If the update was truly was agreed to, then you should expect the update in the near future.

“">CAT can only raid VAK twice a day and vice versa. [CAT-only term]
We caught Vaktovia server-hopping at Province of Roswell on 12/29/14 around 3-4 times, due to fact of there Officer being crashed of the screen-shot glitch, and being outnumbered by the defending team. This was done vice versa after that."”

1>>> Evidence to support these claims?
2>>> “This was done vise versa after that” – so why are you complaining if you just turned around and did it yourself? You already A made yourself just as bad for doing it yourself and B balanced the whole situation over.
3>>>Without evidence, like yourself, there are multiple accounts of CAT hitching onto EL raids.

“"Due to CAT being the first assault of the war, we didn't have the time to update our base with the needed scripts to ensure this war was made fair. After in argument with a couple of Vaktovia's High Command, they proclaimed we made our base unjust to there siding. Even though we have the confirmation of a Vaktovian General that doing our changes was necessary. Whilst that being said, Vaktovia didn't come to either factions attention that they were going to update there base with a change in the requirement of defender's."
Proof: /a1O5ln8
Proof: http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=152438300””

>>>Actually, according to ttomrocks25 and his chat log, there was an agreement on the changes to be made to SMO. Also, the increase was done a while ago and was approved, again according to ttom25rocks and the supplied chat log. A misunderstanding arose, and this chat log should clean this up nicely.
/b2142206a7437747c2eeba51b4d7a04e

"”According to xMaleden, Leader of Electro Legion, they came in consensus with the Vaktovian High Command of confirming that any refusal of defense by either side after 40 minutes will result in an official win by the offensive. This rule has augmented our victory count, thus bringing this war in close of a tie."”

>>>However, this radical term was NOT RATIFIED, because it would NEVER work. xMal certainly pulled this one from his behind with his “electric Mandate of Heaven” or some nonsense, since he was not authorized to add this term. If he was keen on adding it, it would have been added prewar. For him to OFFICIALIZE THIS TERM, he MUST have it approved in a summit, not in a private conversation with a VAK general (which I also doubt he got).
“If enough factions in the Conquest wish it, a summit may be called for representatives of each side to discuss changes to the original terms stated in this document.” –Vaktus in the Commencement
http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=152137140 --Commencement
You can view my other thread discussing EL for the summary on the term and why his post attempting to put it into effect is meaningless.

“”We have proof that the Vaktovian High Command are ordering there troops to not defend Snowy Moon Outpost (SMO). This is just another dirty tactic, even with these being done, we still have respected our grounds to defend our base whenever they are attacking.
Proof: /a/4nQ0C
Proof: /5l5gyh (prntscr)
Proof: /5k7l2j (prntscr)””

>>>>Screenshots involving conversation with Vaktovian General Huntek: Firstly, they have RAIDERS on the server that they are all stationed at. They are defending a raid, so the Vaktovians there are already excluded. The Vaktovians that were at Kastro obviously planned to move in on your server and defend. However, it was their mistake not to defend for those last couple of minutes and to actually wait. It was unlikely you would win a raid with so little time remaning and they wanted to allow another server to form so you would have the full two hours. I believe that it would have been best to have an admin reset the server timer and reinitiate the raid sequence. Do however note that Josh does move on the other server during this incident, as seen in the final image in the album. I believe that VAK should have moved in on your aged server and for that I will partially agree that Cat should receive the victory pictured in that server.

>>>>Screenshot of Hunter7777's shout (prntscr#1): provides nothing, the raid ended and the server was emptied to 1) ensure the next raiders would have their full raid time and 2) because the time may have already expired on the server the raid occurred on. I'm fairly certain the latter of these two occurred.

>>>>Screenshot of Gannex's shout (prntscr#2):Refusal to defend =/= waiting for specific servers. Ever consider that they were trying to help, or even distribute the Vaktovian soldiers? This does not imply they are not defending the servers, they are targeting specific ones to ensure all of your servers are filled.

>>>>Screenshots involving other raids that did not receive responses:
1)All raids that occurred Christmas Eve/Christmas were not required to be responded to, as of war terms AND common sense. Most arguments against this point here are “L0L BUT V4K has 0 lifs11one1”. However, Vaktovians like most other people do, in fact, have lives. The same will apply for New Year’s Eve and New Year’s Day. So take a break and calm down a bit, and happy holidays. You are allowed to raid/patrol/defend, but it is NOT REQUIRED of you.
2)There are other potential reasons why these raids did not receive attention, however, I believe all the screenshots provided are either from the holidays or Huntek’s raid, which I discussed. Other potential reasons could be raids launched very late/during an event. I mean, Vaktovians should not be expected to defend at 2AM and CAT/EL should not have to, either.

With more than 90% of this evidence proven factually incorrect, there is not much left to argue. However, I believe that CAT should receive their win for the General Huntek incident, and that you should aim to gather a summit. Do understand that you are not required to crash the war to a halt to open a summit, and that one can be called regardless if the CAT base is open or closed. I do not believe that CAT/EL should be provided an excess of wins as they may like, as most of the issues mentioned in their thread(s) have been debunked and EL on the other hand has broken war terms of its own.

I respect how CAT does not threaten an autowin on Vaktovia and also says that they would instead drop the war. However, I believe that neither will be necessary.

This sums up the CAT issues. I’d like to extend gratitude once more to CAT for being respectful with their post and mention of valid points much to the opposite of the EL post.

Documents:
http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=152137140 – Commencement of War
http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=151516978 –Declaration of War
http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=152829847 –Cat’s Final VAK Stance
http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=152750303 –El’s final warrant to VAK
http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=152767975 –Destruction of EL argument

As always, stay crispy.
--Fillet O’ Fire--

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ki113rxgunz is not online. ki113rxgunz
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30 Dec 2014 05:34 PM
tl;dr
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xMaleden is not online. xMaleden
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30 Dec 2014 05:37 PM
You're putting words in my mouth. And maybe you should get off your damned alt, or tell us who your main is.
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TheForumingFishstick is not online. TheForumingFishstick
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30 Dec 2014 05:37 PM
Sorry for the harsh wordwalling but I had to get all of my evidence across. Stay frosty, kill3r.

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TheForumingFishstick is not online. TheForumingFishstick
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30 Dec 2014 05:39 PM
@xMal

holy
oh my gosh it's crawling on my thread

No, but really, I did not put any words in your mouth. I used "electric Mandate of Heaven" as a metaphor for he way you act (you act like the god gave you the right to add war terms).

Anything you'd like to discuss, xMal?

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xMaleden is not online. xMaleden
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30 Dec 2014 05:43 PM
"”According to xMaleden, Leader of Electro Legion, they came in consensus with the Vaktovian High Command of confirming that any refusal of defense by either side after 40 minutes will result in an official win by the offensive. This rule has augmented our victory count, thus bringing this war in close of a tie."”

I straight up declared it, m8. What's your main?
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StuntMike is not online. StuntMike
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30 Dec 2014 05:45 PM
Maleden, Joshua was the one who said "you came to a consensus" with our HICOM about that.
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cw2326 is not online. cw2326
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30 Dec 2014 05:46 PM
I blame VAK for being full of hypocrites

1) They didn't have to do anything on Christmas day yet they raid EL, and retaliate if EL raids them back with an excuse such as, "'ts Christmas Day, we don't have to defend,'?

2) They are told not to enter servers, or are apparently told to "retreat" to allow more EL members in, yet there are more than enough raids to supply an adequate raid. This retreat causes the server to become unofficial. Yet if EL refuses to defend (which I have yet to see), they'd get antagonized?

3) Being a bunch of nit-picks when it comes to defending. Choosing which server VAK/VAC feels like defending just astounds me as to how clans work today.

4) I don't blame xMal for adding such a term, it prevents VAK from leaving a server to avoid a loss, or refusing to defend for the same reason.

cw2326/learnt
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TheForumingFishstick is not online. TheForumingFishstick
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30 Dec 2014 05:47 PM
@xMal
So I'm guessing you don't read?

"If he was keen on adding it, it would have been added prewar. For him to OFFICIALIZE THIS TERM, he MUST have it approved in a summit, not in a private conversation with a VAK general (which I also doubt he got)."

'If enough factions in the Conquest wish it, a summit may be called for representatives of each side to discuss changes to the original terms stated in this document.' –Vaktus in the Commencement

By the way, this rule is just your angry venting - it would never actually work. What if you decided to raid at 2am when nobody was online? What are the criteria to actually have VAK show up? If I have one EL at the base and nobody comes to stop him within forty minutes, does he win the raid? How many EL have to be at SMO to actually put this term into effect? There are too many loopholes and issues with this system and it was only added by yourself to try to force Vaktovia into doing what you please.

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Definitude is not online. Definitude
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30 Dec 2014 05:49 PM
wow lots of writing tldr.
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StuntMike is not online. StuntMike
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30 Dec 2014 05:51 PM
If I'm understanding this correctly, Maleden, you can see Joshua saying that here: http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=152829847

I pointed out that you never came to consensus with us in my post on that.
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30 Dec 2014 05:52 PM
gg
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LordMiltonious is not online. LordMiltonious
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30 Dec 2014 05:53 PM
So you wrote a word wall, didnt provide any hard evidence, and you refuse to post ur main because you dont want to get flamed for being a hypocrite :' -(

I dont even need to know your main to know that ur in vak lmfao.
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TheForumingFishstick is not online. TheForumingFishstick
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30 Dec 2014 05:54 PM
"I blame VAK for being full of hypocrites"
>I blame EL for being full of larger hypocrites and thickskulls.

1) They didn't have to do anything on Christmas day yet they raid EL, and retaliate if EL raids them back with an excuse such as, "'ts Christmas Day, we don't have to defend,'?
> EL also were not required to defend Christmas day. Why were the EL patrolling Christmas if they did not VAK to raid? The ONLY REASON EL would have patrolled is if they WANTED a raid.

2) They are told not to enter servers, or are apparently told to "retreat" to allow more EL members in, yet there are more than enough raids to supply an adequate raid. This retreat causes the server to become unofficial. Yet if EL refuses to defend (which I have yet to see), they'd get antagonized?
> waiting for specific servers =/= refusal to defend
> nobody in VAK antagonized EL for not defending unless they actually didn't defend

3) Being a bunch of nit-picks when it comes to defending. Choosing which server VAK/VAC feels like defending just astounds me as to how clans work today.
> Nitpicking =/= Trying to make things fair and fun (like CAT/VAK try to do)

4) I don't blame xMal for adding such a term, it prevents VAK from leaving a server to avoid a loss, or refusing to defend for the same reason.
>Doesn't matter if you blame him or not, he has no authority to issue it and with such the term and thread mean nothing.

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LordMiltonious is not online. LordMiltonious
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30 Dec 2014 05:56 PM
You sound dumb, if VAKraids at1 :00 am EL can defend at these times because their active in everu timezone.

VAK has raided once for twenty four hours lol, YOU cant seriously say we have a time limit to when and when we cantr aid.

You're obviously illiterate, all base updates and minor war terms are discussed withy he oppposing side.

That doesn't mean a summit, thay means thru the opposing leaders.

Xmaleden frequently talks to gannex over Skype.

I wont even waste time killingt this because ur still on a alt.
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30 Dec 2014 05:57 PM
tl;dr
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TheForumingFishstick is not online. TheForumingFishstick
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30 Dec 2014 05:58 PM
GOD DAMN, LordMilk is throwing poop at me AGAIN.

"So you wrote a word wall, didnt provide any hard evidence"
--You mean the word wall of evidence that explains the fault in every one of the issue mentioned by CAT? Hmm? :^/////

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LordMiltonious is not online. LordMiltonious
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30 Dec 2014 05:59 PM
You just used a double standard for EL patrolling.

EL begant to patrol because vak rallied for a raid in advance at kastro after defending.

Ur so dumb words cant even describe lmfaoo.
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LordMiltonious is not online. LordMiltonious
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30 Dec 2014 06:02 PM
gannex agreed tot he 40 minute term lol.

And i have screenshots of vak serverflooding CAT, then losing a 14v6 lmaooooo.

You also used ratified in the wrong context.

Andddd you really cant expect to be taken seriously when u just pulled assumptions out of ur ass, use improper context and wording, and then still be scared to post on ur main.

The worst part about it is ur copying mys tyle of threads.

Ik u want to be me, but calmd own buddy, you need yo learnnow.to be scared 1st.

Then learn how to argue.
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LordMiltonious is not online. LordMiltonious
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30 Dec 2014 06:06 PM
You just stated in ur first statement that CAT should've specified r own base updates at the summit.

VAK didnt specify that they apparently changed the base update to 7 people (EVENT THOUGH THATS DISPROVEN WITH THE EL RAID WINS LMAO)

But lets say it was changed to 7 b4 the war.

Gannex and vaktus both failed to relay that to joshua and xmaleden.

Bruh how are you gonna try to copy my arguments and then not even bring proper evidence.

Learn not 2 get contradicted so much man.

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TheForumingFishstick is not online. TheForumingFishstick
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30 Dec 2014 06:07 PM
"You sound dumb, if VAKraids at1 :00 am EL can defend at these times because their active in everu timezone."
>Um, I never mentioned VAK raiding at 1am. If you mean the potential that they would be raiding then, I was actually saying that within reason they shouldn't be required to defend for those times. Also, "I sound dumb": third time you've used this as a comeback on the various threads and you are the one always typing like a drunk.

"VAK has raided once for twenty four hours lol, YOU cant seriously say we have a time limit to when and when we cantr aid."
>This argument is garbage. Firstly, don't know if you heard this one around the playground, but you have zero evidence of this. Regardless, I am talking within reason during the time of what is supposed to be a fun war, not in the time of a stress test or a attempt to set a record.

You're obviously illiterate, all base updates and minor war terms are discussed withy he oppposing side.
>I'M ILLITERATE?
Here's an excerpt from one of your last posts:

"12-29-2014 06:44 PM
so basically ur complaining that void is the obly reason why el is winning.

When we had 4 raif wins b4 iso even stepped in lmaooo.

Anddd good thing recruits dont count as official members of the legion.

Nothing u ssy can even be taken serious " LOL

"That doesn't mean a summit, thay means thru the opposing leaders."
> No, the war terms say summit exactly. In black in white.

"The terms are open to renegotiation. If enough factions in the Conquest wish it, a summit may be called for representatives of each side to discuss changes to the original terms stated in this document."

And here's the thread to where this is said: http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=152137140

Anything else?

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LordMiltonious is not online. LordMiltonious
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30 Dec 2014 06:15 PM
By the way, this rule is just your angry venting - it would never actually work. What if you decided to raid at 2am when nobody was online? What are the criteria to actually have VAK show up? If I have one EL at the base and nobody comes to stop him within forty minutes, does he win the raid? How many EL have to be at SMO to actually put this term int---U just said 2am raiding bruh.

Im sorry u lack the ballsa nd brain compacity to post on ur main.

Im on mobile tbh so yah ill make some errors here and there lmao.

Uhm, id know if vak did raid for twenty four hours, it was during the jc war, i was in vak at the time lol.

uhm, gannex stated xmaleden can contact him thru steam, so both sides acting leaders agreed to this.

So ur only proving my point.

pls stop contradicting urself.

And you keep saying evidence, but you have no evidence of EL breaking war terms.

BUT WE have threads of vak officers awknowledging the forty minute timer rule on xmaledens thread lmao.

how dumb can you get.
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TheForumingFishstick is not online. TheForumingFishstick
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30 Dec 2014 06:16 PM
"gannex agreed tot he 40 minute term lol."
>EVIDENCE??
>"Andddd you really cant expect to be taken seriously when u just pulled assumptions out of ur ass" YOUR QUOTE
>"didnt provide any hard evidence" YOU AGAIN

"And i have screenshots of vak serverflooding CAT, then losing a 14v6 lmaooooo."
> That would prove absolutely nothing, since no terms were broken.

"You also used ratified in the wrong context."
>verb
past tense: ratified; past participle: ratified
sign or give formal consent to

"use improper context and wording"
>"but calmd own buddy, you need yo learnnow.to be scared 1st."
And this here must be a marvel of pure grammatical knowledge.

"The worst part about it is ur copying mys tyle of threads."
> No, I have not copied the thickskull variety of thread that includes 99% facts from the behind

Ik u want to be me, but calmd own buddy, you need yo learnnow.to be scared 1st.
> Better go get Forrest Gump to translate this here for me. Here's another example of your illiteracy.

"Then learn how to argue."
>AS YOU GET PUT THE CURB

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LordMiltonious is not online. LordMiltonious
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30 Dec 2014 06:25 PM
Yes because ill take the time out of my day to argue with an alt that still uses forrest gump as an insult, :' -( :' -( :' -( :' -( :' -( :' -(

No, i've made multiple threads over a 5 day span with evidence, and so no, i don't really need to prove anything.

Anybody thats been on c&g for the last five days, saw them, awknowledged them, and moved on with life.

You may be wondering why ur thread hasnt blown up yet.

Because every thread i posted has disproved this argument you present, because its the same ok one all vaktovians present :;((((((((

Tbh, regardless of what a spinless kid on a alt tries to say, my eruption of evidence over a course of thirty threads made a four year veteran in VAK leave yesterday because he was sick of bs.

so i mean.

You can keep posting these.

For the most part, its like demontitan and jeen123s arguments copied and pasted.

I know you like to copy the "--" you've seen me use, but bud, ill have to ask you to stop copying my style in general, you have to actually be able to formulate a argument.

And no, you did use ratified in the wrong context, you used it implying that statement was truthful.

Its false lol.
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TheForumingFishstick is not online. TheForumingFishstick
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30 Dec 2014 06:29 PM
"By the way, this rule is just your angry venting - it would never actually work. What if you decided to raid at 2am when nobody was online? What are the criteria to actually have VAK show up? If I have one EL at the base and nobody comes to stop him within forty minutes, does he win the raid? How many EL have to be at SMO to actually put this term int---U just said 2am raiding bruh."
>Yes, as I discussed the complications of having EL raid VAK at 2AM when nobody is around to defend for a significant raid, if EL would have requested one.

Im sorry u lack the ballsa nd brain compacity to post on ur main.
>Oh yes, I lack a lot of brain "compacity"

Im on mobile tbh so yah ill make some errors here and there lmao.
>Being on mobile doesn't mean you have to type angry replies to me written by what appears to be a drunk.

"Uhm, id know if vak did raid for twenty four hours, it was during the jc war, i was in vak at the time lol."
>So you have proof other than your word?
>"Andddd you really cant expect to be taken seriously when u just pulled assumptions out of ur ass" YOUR QUOTE
>"didnt provide any hard evidence" YOU AGAIN
>"a bunch of blatant assumptions pulled out of ur ass." RAPID FIRE NOW

"uhm, gannex stated xmaleden can contact him thru steam, so both sides acting leaders agreed to this."
>PROOF?
>"Andddd you really cant expect to be taken seriously when u just pulled assumptions out of ur ass" YOUR QUOTE
>"didnt provide any hard evidence" YOU AGAIN
>"a bunch of blatant assumptions pulled out of ur ass." RAPID FIRE NOW
> I mean, I could rack these up until I get a Tactical Nuke for crying out loud.

"So ur only proving my point."
>If your point is that you are a moron then I have proved that so many times over I could write a trilogy on it.

"pls stop contradicting urself."
>LordMilk demands evidence
>LordMilk provides 0 evidence
>I'M contradicting MYSELF

And you keep saying evidence, but you have no evidence of EL breaking war terms.
> YOU MEAN THE ENTIRE THREAD, WITH THE VALID EVIDENCE?
> http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=152767975

BUT WE have threads of vak officers awknowledging the forty minute timer rule on xmaledens thread lmao.
>You can look over the ENTIRE THREAD (http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=152571116). NOT ONCE does a Vaktovian officer agree to the term. Even if they DID, it would be MEANINGLESS, because it HAS TO BE AGREED UPON AT SUMMIT.

"The terms are open to renegotiation. If enough factions in the Conquest wish it, a summit may be called for representatives of each side to discuss changes to the original terms stated in this document."

http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=152137140 --Thread stating this

"how dumb can you get."
>I feel like I lose brain cells every single time I read one of your posts and have to reply.

--Fillet O' Fire--
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