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Re: Top 5 clans really shouldn't be based off of pure military

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Belmontlegend255 is not online. Belmontlegend255
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26 Dec 2014 12:45 PM
Sure, it's a major component, but there are a few things to consider; but first, what defines a clan? What defines whether it's good or not?

Some key components include:
- Military capability
- Community (internal and external)
- Longevity (otherwise the top 5 list would be filled with just hype clans and would constantly change)
- Member success and activity (this includes place traffic - because if no one visits their base are doesn't want to raid them, what's the point?)

I keep seeing ¨Top 5 clans¨ and then list a few clans purely off of their military capabilities, some from simply the past week. Clans still need to be an established part of the community, with a working internal structure, and not an all-over-the-place conglomeration of friends and RCLers who know each other. A clan cannot be a clan - at least, not a functional and established one - without having all of these aspects to some sort of degree. A clan cannot be a clan with simply military strength and nothing else.

Just wanted to give an extra perspective on things.
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Flavoured is not online. Flavoured
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26 Dec 2014 12:47 PM
Agreed.

CONEX could probably beat WIJ easy, But WIJ is a stable and long term clan

So WIJ>

It makes more sense.
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xMaleden is not online. xMaleden
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26 Dec 2014 12:47 PM
tl;dr EL is top 5, jk
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Imitater is not online. Imitater
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26 Dec 2014 12:48 PM
there is one main culprit who keeps making these rcl conglomerations
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Belmontlegend255 is not online. Belmontlegend255
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26 Dec 2014 12:52 PM
If people want to make a top clan list based purely off of military skill, please specify that when writing so.
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ADSFxXCharXx is not online. ADSFxXCharXx
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26 Dec 2014 12:53 PM
ur a nob m8
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Hare8901 is not online. Hare8901
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26 Dec 2014 12:53 PM
so fc is still number 1 great
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Rectifying is not online. Rectifying
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26 Dec 2014 12:54 PM
yea fc would be #1 in all of these lol
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Belmontlegend255 is not online. Belmontlegend255
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26 Dec 2014 01:11 PM
Except place traffic since no one wants to raid FWII
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Belmontlegend255 is not online. Belmontlegend255
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26 Dec 2014 01:12 PM
Scratch that, it's not as bad as I thought

but people still hate raiding FW
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Hare8901 is not online. Hare8901
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26 Dec 2014 01:12 PM
well we're one of the few clans that can get 15+ people to patrol
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IntenseSnows is not online. IntenseSnows
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26 Dec 2014 01:13 PM
@bel

still gets around 1k a week from patrols
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Belmontlegend255 is not online. Belmontlegend255
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26 Dec 2014 01:15 PM
Sure, but NFC fills 25 player servers with patrols as well. By place traffic I mean how frequently people raid you, although patrols are good as well. And the raiding has certainly gone down.

But FC is a good clan nonetheless - although it doesn't exactly have a stellar external community (as in how it communicates publicly).
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Blast87 is not online. Blast87
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26 Dec 2014 01:15 PM
Power Clans dont live long, atleast a maximum of 9 Months then dead. Thats the difference with Super Clans, you cant have pure quality in this game. But WIJ is in between, it is a true induring clan.
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Hare8901 is not online. Hare8901
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26 Dec 2014 01:17 PM
it's not really fair to judge a clan based on people not raiding because they know they'd lose
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Antagonise is not online. Antagonise
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26 Dec 2014 01:18 PM
@belmont

we actually do get a decent amount of raiders every now and then because some people enjoy raiding fw


sometimes theyre like 10k tryhard groups or weaker superclans trying their luck
occasional hype clan on top of that

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assasinlord5 is not online. assasinlord5
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26 Dec 2014 01:18 PM
"although it doesn't exactly have a stellar external community (as in how it communicates publicly)."

it doesn't need to, all that matters is that it has a good internal community and the people who are in the clan like the clan.
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Belmontlegend255 is not online. Belmontlegend255
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26 Dec 2014 01:19 PM
That's not the point, the point is that if FC is a purely offensive threat since no one decides to raid them (it's because of the unorthodox weaponry, obviously), there's not really much point. Very few clans bother to raid FC, most of them clans that don't know what they're doing. The difference is in the weaponry since it's isolated solely to FC. Another clan can do the same with having their own set of unique weaponry, but if no one raids them since the weapons are too alien for them, war will be very, very boring.

I don't have anything against unique weaponry, it just has its pros and cons along with everything else.
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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26 Dec 2014 01:22 PM
I'd join in the discussion about FC, but it just so happens that I don't understand their group at all. The last time I've made contact with anyone high up in the group, it was with JJ and a couple of other HR's who were busy with FC's logo to different blocks of colours,
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Belmontlegend255 is not online. Belmontlegend255
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26 Dec 2014 01:23 PM
@assasin

People on the forums are continuously getting less interested in FC because of their inexplicably hostile relations with - well, almost everyone else. People in FC may not care, and the internal community may be great, but because of its highly isolationist policies in fields such as this, more often than not, people connected with C&G are consistently tuned out by FC's actions.
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ezaiahs is not online. ezaiahs
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26 Dec 2014 01:24 PM
#1
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Hare8901 is not online. Hare8901
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26 Dec 2014 01:25 PM
fc steps out of its bow comfort zone and wars gun and sword clans alike, yet no other clan can do the same? All any clan needs to do is raid us constantly if they want to get good.

we actually get raided more often than you think, but it doesn't matter. i seriously hate the argument "you have bows nobody knows how to use them, you're bad" or "your clan is worse in some aspect because you are different"

I just don't understand why you think judging a clan on something they can't control is ok
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ben0203999 is not online. ben0203999
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26 Dec 2014 01:26 PM
Accept with all of those except for longevity.
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ben0203999 is not online. ben0203999
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26 Dec 2014 01:27 PM
*Agree
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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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26 Dec 2014 01:28 PM
bows arent rlly that hard to use
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