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Re: better enjoy your christmas this year

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Havokian is not online. Havokian
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24 Dec 2014 09:20 PM
because economy is going to the gutter again

the price of crude is below 60 dollars a barrel
hedge funds are shorting BP and all the oil companies, justifiably, which is ensuring oil's demise (since it reduces the capital when you short-sell).

every oil-producing nation from russia to nig7ria is starting to flounder; russia is nearing a recession (and its been free from recessions for at least 5 years)

we're on the brink of a global recession

feds are favoring low interest rates - we'll see how that pans out

your ostensibly benevolent cheap gas isn't so benevolent after all, as it's an indicator of formidable deflation abound.

christmas next year is going to be sorely disappointing to many if, as i, and many experts, predict, there's another recession.
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Valhalas is not online. Valhalas
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24 Dec 2014 09:21 PM
I'm not sure what dictionary you used for a few of those words but I don't think it was a good one.
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BIoodthirster is not online. BIoodthirster
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24 Dec 2014 09:22 PM
christmas depends on oil, confirmed

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nightbrother is not online. nightbrother
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24 Dec 2014 09:23 PM
Rich white kid in the suburbs struggling? HA

-Discourager 1 day ban for loving fine females
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Havokian is not online. Havokian
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24 Dec 2014 10:51 PM
@val
i'll try to make my post less pompous/wordy next time.. but which words seem off?

rest assured, i used no thesaurus or dictionary, and, in my opinion, the only word that could be argued to be out of place might be the word "benevolent" to describe the current low gas prices caused from deflation. i'm merely saying that what seems to be doing people good is in actuality an indicator of future harm.

..kind of like raising minimum wage. it'd seemingly be good in the sense that it means more money to spend, like the feeling that arises from lower gas prices, but is negative in the long-run given, for instance, the hyperinflation that often ensues when you raise the basic price of goods. or maybe you'd point out how it hurts corporations since they'd be forced to spend more money on their employees for the same amount of work, and corporations, the suppliers of jobs, drained of capital isn't very good obviously.

@blood
christmas depends on oil
the world depends on oil
the end is among us

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oDaniel44Lifeo is not online. oDaniel44Lifeo
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24 Dec 2014 10:52 PM
That's what happens when you have a socialist running the country.
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ExiledTitan is not online. ExiledTitan
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24 Dec 2014 10:52 PM
what does oil and gas have to do with christmas?

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Havokian is not online. Havokian
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24 Dec 2014 10:53 PM
@val
also, funny how you'd insult one's english and yet make the stylistic mistake of using "what" rather than "which."
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oDaniel44Lifeo is not online. oDaniel44Lifeo
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24 Dec 2014 10:54 PM
Minimum wage jobs were not meant to make a living off of. That is what careers are for.
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romuluz is not online. romuluz
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24 Dec 2014 10:56 PM
1) You're not an expert, and if by some one in a million chance that you are, wtf is a grown ass man doing on a

2) Referring to #1 given your inability to put together basic words together correctly affirms the fact that you're not an expert.

3) Gas prices going down is a GOOD thing, it's been WAY too expensive for the past few years. In fact a lot of things are and deflation is not all that bad at all, especially in our economy at the moment. Especially considering that minimum wage isn't a living wage with all of these still inflated prices.
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Havokian is not online. Havokian
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24 Dec 2014 10:56 PM
indeed dan
the filthy liberals and king obama are ruining this country

@exiled
well when oil goes to sh11t
so do economies that rely heavily on oil, like the u.s. and most economies do, in fact, rely a lot on oil since oil is one of the most useful commodities right in front of silver.

but for the record, we're "good" this christmas
oil can't plunge catastrophically overnight lol
but it's the next couple years we should be concerned about

santa's sleigh requires oil, remember
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romuluz is not online. romuluz
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24 Dec 2014 10:57 PM
wtf is a grown ass man doing on a kids game*
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oDaniel44Lifeo is not online. oDaniel44Lifeo
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24 Dec 2014 10:58 PM
People that want the minimum wage raised are narrow minded.
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romuluz is not online. romuluz
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24 Dec 2014 10:59 PM
Also daniel, I laugh at your logic.

Yes a minimum wage should not be enough to buy that big house and expensive car everyone wants but it should be enough for someone to rent their own basic appartment, be able to purchase a junky little car to get them from point a to point b, and last of all should be enough to get them through college as well. If a minimum wage could provide for all of this, we'd have less people relying on the government for help, which means more money for our sad public education program.
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Havokian is not online. Havokian
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24 Dec 2014 11:01 PM
@dan i'm in agreement.

@rom stop taking this so seriously okay bruh?
when did i imply that i was an expert? i said that i, in addition to OTHER experts, are predicting a possible global recession stemming from the plunge in oil and energy.

also, how do i lack the ability to put together words correctly?.. although i don't bother to capitalize on the forums, my syntax is undoubtedly coherent..

also, you're logically fallacious in your assumption that one must be an "expert" in order to pass on perhaps reliable information, in my opinion. even if we do assume experts to be paramount to the validity of an assertion, like an assertion that there's a possible future global recession, perhaps i'm relaying the keen analysis of other experts? in which case, it matters not at all that i'm not a so-called "expert," so as long as the credibility of the EXPERTS THAT I'M CITING is in check.
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oDaniel44Lifeo is not online. oDaniel44Lifeo
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24 Dec 2014 11:02 PM
What's the point of going to school, getting an education, and getting a 20$ an hour job. When I can flip burgers and make 15$ an hour?
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romuluz is not online. romuluz
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24 Dec 2014 11:03 PM
"People that want the minimum wage raised are narrow minded."

LOL!!!

So what I'm getting from this is that instead of providing a counter argument to my own you're just going to reply with the oh so typical "you're close minded" comment?

Predictable and pathetic.

While we're at it, are either of you even old enough to even have a job yet?
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oDaniel44Lifeo is not online. oDaniel44Lifeo
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24 Dec 2014 11:04 PM
Ummm, I posted that before you made your "counter-argument" and yes I have a job Tyvm.
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Havokian is not online. Havokian
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24 Dec 2014 11:07 PM
"3) Gas prices going down is a GOOD thing, it's been WAY too expensive for the past few years. In fact a lot of things are and deflation is not all that bad at all, especially in our economy at the moment. Especially considering that minimum wage isn't a living wage with all of these still inflated prices."

this is my reason for saying that it's "ostensibly" a good thing basically. it seems to be good since they've been expensive for the last few years, but the fact of the matter is that deflation can be very formidable. "deflation is not all that bad at all" LOL. deflation deters people from buying, it's bad for debtors, can spur unemployment, etc. yeah, lower prices in the economy sounds good, but it can be detrimental to the economy. our economy is, contrary to past years, suffering from deflation NOT inflation. so it's not a good thing "especially now."

now onto minimum wage:

when you raise the minimum wage, it doesn't really do much; i'm baffled by the liberals who advocate increases of the minimum wage. if you increase the basic wage of the working class, then that just means that the price of basic goods is going to, in accordance, increase as well. also, hyperinflation and lack of jobs (for the reasons i explained a few posts above) are also results of raising the min. wage.
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romuluz is not online. romuluz
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24 Dec 2014 11:07 PM
"as i, and many experts, predict, there's another recession."

You're considering yourself to be among the experts.

Also, Daniel, let me tell you something. I currently have a job and make 10$ an hour, and guess what? I can't live on my own or go to college with that to get to that career that can give me a good living wage. So guess what I do? Get financial aid. Government currently provides me thousands of dollars to go to college where, if I were to get a living wage, could go to a plethora of other things instead.

So congratulations, by supporting a low wage you are also supporting people relying on the government for an untold amount of years taking up to 100,000 dollars in grants so they can go to school.

Now imagine those who don't qualify for financial aid. How are they going to get to college at all? Short answer, they can't, so instead they are cursed living their lives in poverty because republicans are too cheap to give people a living wage.
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oDaniel44Lifeo is not online. oDaniel44Lifeo
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24 Dec 2014 11:09 PM
Okay I'm done arguing with the guy relying on the government. Ever heard of student loans? Good day.
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Havokian is not online. Havokian
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24 Dec 2014 11:10 PM
"should be enough for someone to rent their own basic appartment, be able to purchase a junky little car to get them from point a to point b, and last of all should be enough to get them through college as well. "

i agree that the wage should be high enough for one to own his or her own basic apartment and purchases a crappy car. and it is. you think it should be enough to get someone through college though? are you joking? you realize college can often be a 100 grand+ or even 150 grand+ investment? i hate the crippling trillion dollar student debt as much as the next rational person, but raising minimum wage to help students start affording college is ridiculous.
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romuluz is not online. romuluz
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24 Dec 2014 11:10 PM
", it doesn't really do much"

Refer to my top arguements please.

There would be a hell of a lot more people off of wellfare and government aid for one, and trust me, that will do a hell of a lot.

I can tell that you're young, naive, and probably live in the hills with a big nice house that your parents fund for you. I'm also willing to bet that they'll be the ones paying for your college, so of course, to you, a low minimum wage makes perfect sense because evryone has their mom's and dad's getting them through college right?
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Clerical is not online. Clerical
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24 Dec 2014 11:13 PM
your solution is to suck up to electronic cars


preferably the sls amg energydrive
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Havokian is not online. Havokian
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24 Dec 2014 11:16 PM
"Now imagine those who don't qualify for financial aid. How are they going to get to college at all? Short answer, they can't, so instead they are cursed living their lives in poverty because republicans are too cheap to give people a living wage."

Contrary to what has, in recent years, been drilled into peoples' heads, not everybody needs to go to college! College, in contemporary society, no longer necessarily entails a career! Especially for those opt for the humanities rather than the math- and science-related fields.

Also, if someone doesn't qualify for financial aid, it's very likely that they're in the middle class, not the indigent working class. Those who are "living their lives in poverty" as you say typically qualify for some form of financial aid.

You said yourself that people often take out 100,000 grants so that they can go to college. They're relying on social programs, which I don't support. But you're supporting raising the minimum wage so people don't have to rely on these programs anymore. In other words, this entails people getting minimum wage salaries of over 100,000 dollars. That is preposterous.

Lastly, you do realize what a "living wage" is, right? The radical liberal notion that people should get paid for breathing oxygen and contributing nothing to society? You keep mentioning it, and I think you're under the impression that it's a minimum wage that allows one to live, which, I can see, could be deduced but is in fact not the case.
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