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Re: [SC-TRA] Points I'd Like to Address

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Swordmaker is not online. Swordmaker
Joined: 06 Mar 2009
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23 Dec 2014 12:59 PM
Sleet Clan's reason for war wasn't past hostility, it was the yearning for activity and happiness among its general population. This is not how it is turning out, and I'll explain why.

1) There are far too many people speaking on behalf of either side, if you don't have a direct word from either leader, you need to look into what you're saying before you say it. This is causing confusion and unnecessary hatred to occur.

2) Being in a server with TRA's Leader, KingCon yesterday; he did bring up how the war took a dramatic turn in their favor from being 3-3, to 7-3. Reason being, Sleet Clan was negligent to defend servers that left room for two members. I'd like to make something quite clear to both sides, if you're not allowing the proper room for a server to become official, there's no ground you can stand on to determine that server as a victory. I'm going to hear things such as "You refused to defend, it doesn't matter anyway!", in that you're wrong. Sleet Clan was getting ready to defend, after their high ranks took a view of the situation at SC's Fort Solum. There wasn't any room for them to get into servers, and it would be ridiculous in nature to even try to attack with minimal room.

3) Because of individuals throwing around cloudy numbers of the current war score, you're also creating unwarranted anger between both clans. It would be appreciated by myself, and either respected individuals from either clan if the war score could be looked over carefully, and then determined. I'm not one to go by hazy speculation, and I won't be changing my morals today.

4) If you're going to spend your time on the forums, intentionally angering people, you're making the situation worse for yourself. The more you anger the other side, you'll find that they will be far less willing to negotiate any future terms about the war. I'd appreciate if both sides would keep this to a neutral level. You may post your opinions, but flame isn't necessary. Sleet Clan has already received an edict including a collective high ranking opinion on flame towards either side.


Furthermore, I'd be more than happy to talk to any dignitary from TRA to make clear any problems he might have with Sleet Clan, or their base. I'd rather things be settled that way than argument.


Respectfully,

Swordmaker
-Sleet Clan Legislature
--Head of External Affairs
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ClanNotGuilds is online. ClanNotGuilds
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23 Dec 2014 01:00 PM
We are not declaring victories because you didn't defend.

We legitimately have 15 screenshots of actual victories. All different codes.
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Swordmaker is not online. Swordmaker
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23 Dec 2014 01:02 PM
@Clans

I'm assuming all of these wins are after the war terms were released yesterday?
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A680 is not online. A680
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23 Dec 2014 01:02 PM
3-4 of them are

[A680 | Andrew680] |ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ | im better than u L0L
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LordMiltonious is not online. LordMiltonious
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23 Dec 2014 01:04 PM
3-4 of them are [2]

Call all my hittas, like lets get it, lets get it!
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ClanNotGuilds is online. ClanNotGuilds
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23 Dec 2014 01:05 PM
"I'm assuming all of these wins are after the war terms were released yesterday?"

King's thread was terms regarding base changes needing to be made.

The previous terms found in campy's thread were the terms that are for the war itself.

http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=152060976

Since you can see the term: "Official raid wins will only count if they are earned directly after the time of posting this declaration, thereby rendering wins before that time null and void"

That means all wins achieved after: 12-20-2014 01:45 PM are valid.

Our wins are valid.
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9288605 is not online. 9288605
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23 Dec 2014 01:06 PM
TCC is still going to kick TRA's ass regardless. Your HICOM/leader has the nerve to wuss out of a war by lying to us.

For all the clans that are going to war you, I wish them all the luck in the world. TRA will fall into an irreversible spiral of failure. Understand this, let it be heard by TRA, you will not back down to TCC EVER again. If you do, TCC will relentless raid you until you give in into us.

Let this be known as a threat of hostility from The Corporation.


"I rely on 9288605 to create my own signature."
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Falsewarrior000 is not online. Falsewarrior000
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23 Dec 2014 01:06 PM
ClanNotGuilds, those wins are invalid and you know it. You know that we can't allow that precedent to be set.
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LordMiltonious is not online. LordMiltonious
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23 Dec 2014 01:07 PM
clan ur an idiot, those were "proposed" EMPHASIS ON PROPOSED LOL.



Call all my hittas, like lets get it, lets get it!
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hahaboomman1234 is online. hahaboomman1234
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23 Dec 2014 01:08 PM
11 of these wins are after the terms.
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Avack98 is not online. Avack98
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23 Dec 2014 01:08 PM
"Furthermore, I'd be more than happy to talk to any dignitary from TRA to make clear any problems he might have with Sleet Clan..."

*he or she
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ClanNotGuilds is online. ClanNotGuilds
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23 Dec 2014 01:08 PM
"ClanNotGuilds, those wins are invalid and you know it. You know that we can't allow that precedent to be set."

First off, stop reading out of a thesaurus. You do not know what most of those words even mean.

Secondly, what prevents it?

Nothing was said about reseting wins for the war. The terms also say that it is valid from campy's thread posting date.

If this was SC with the upper hand, they would be arguing for it. But since their plan backfired, too bad for them.
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Swordmaker is not online. Swordmaker
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23 Dec 2014 01:09 PM
@Clans

Those were proposed war terms. Your leader did not accept until yesterday. Any wins that you throw at Sleet Clan that had been taken before yesterday will not be counted by SC.

However, I will gladly take your wins (assuming they were won yesterday and today) and validate them.
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JamalMarley is not online. JamalMarley
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23 Dec 2014 01:09 PM
@Clan

http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=152191172

Title: [TRA-SC] Official War terms

War terms.

Regarding the base changes needed to be made? Yes, but it also listed the terms agreed upon by both parties for the war.


- This war will begin on this day, December 22nd, 2014, at 14:00 CST/20:00 GMT.
- The war will end when one side reaches 20 valid raid victories.
- Allies cannot defend or raid during this war, scripts will be added to help insure this.
- Cease-fire will be issued on both Christmas and New-Years day, any raids conducted during this time will not count and will be made void.
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JamalMarley is not online. JamalMarley
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23 Dec 2014 01:11 PM
It's fairly obvious at least in my eyes that the war terms that King posted overruled the PROPOSED war terms that Campy posted that TRA didn't agree upon. King's war terms had Campy's approval, so the raids that either party won prior to the official start of the war at 14:00 CST yesterday should not count.
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ClanNotGuilds is online. ClanNotGuilds
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23 Dec 2014 01:14 PM
"clan ur an idiot, those were "proposed" EMPHASIS ON PROPOSED LOL."

Yes, and we accepted the proposal.

Why would SC put the term there if they didn't want it to be utilised in the first place? They were not getting many wins, while we were.. so they ended up realising that their plan backfired.
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rhinguin is not online. rhinguin
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23 Dec 2014 01:14 PM
"TCC is still going to kick TRA's ass regardless. Your HICOM/leader has the nerve to wuss out of a war by lying to us."



It wasn't a lie. It was just that our reforms are pretty much complete enough for the moment to work with the LRs. Of course, the reforms are far from perfect, and need changes.
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lilbrees is online. lilbrees
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23 Dec 2014 01:14 PM
16-4

#JustVOIDThings
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Lucara is not online. Lucara
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23 Dec 2014 01:15 PM
TRA has 11 post-warterm wins

But either way, they're going to go for 24 wins to avoid controversy
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ClanNotGuilds is online. ClanNotGuilds
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23 Dec 2014 01:17 PM
"It's fairly obvious at least in my eyes that the war terms that King posted overruled the PROPOSED war terms that Campy posted that TRA didn't agree upon. King's war terms had Campy's approval, so the raids that either party won prior to the official start of the war at 14:00 CST yesterday should not count."

So you're saying because it was overruled, that the previous terms such as: no raid limit and no counting defence wins is no longer in effect?

Does that mean because it was "overruled" we can now add a raid limit and count defence wins?

No. It doesn't. Because we accepted the declaration, and the terms were in the declaration, we accepted the terms in that declaration. King's thread was merely only additional terms added onto the current terms.
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ClanNotGuilds is online. ClanNotGuilds
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23 Dec 2014 01:18 PM
"TRA has 11 post-warterm wins"

No. We have 4 "post-war" wins (yet because of campy's declaration, the terms say they count)
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QuantumSoul is not online. QuantumSoul
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23 Dec 2014 01:18 PM
you take this game too seriously
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Lucara is not online. Lucara
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23 Dec 2014 01:18 PM
"No. We have 4 "post-war" wins"

Post = after

I'm trying to help you here :|
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Blackmask2020 is not online. Blackmask2020
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23 Dec 2014 01:19 PM
Half of those where before the war was official. The war score reset like asked by your leader.

@Clan
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hahaboomman1234 is online. hahaboomman1234
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23 Dec 2014 01:19 PM
Clans post means after the declaration terms, pre would mean before. We have 4 pre, 12 post now.
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