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| 21 Dec 2014 04:09 PM |
I hate it when people say "anything's possible". Not everything's possible.
It's impossible for a square circle to exist. It's impossible for any particle to travel faster than the speed of light.
When you say something is possible or impossible, there's two types of things you could mean: logically possible or physically possible.
If you claim something is possible, you need to establish that it's both logically and physically possible, or, if you can only establish one, state it specifically (such as, say it's "logically possibly" rather than saying it's "possible").
If you say something is logically possible, that's usually not too hard to do, because you can test if it contradicts logic just by thinking about it.
But to say something is physically possible is a bit harder to do. Not only can it not contradict the laws of physics, but if you begin to talk about things outside of the laws of physics, then this is really impossible to determine.
If you're talking about something within what we know, such as our normal, every day classical mechanics, you can easily determine if something is physically possible. But if you wish to talk about something like a deity that exists in a supposed supernature that exists outside of spacetime, well, you've got a problem on your hands: we've never studied the physics of this supernature. So stating that it's possible for that being to exist isn't something you could do, at least not with our current understandings, so you couldn't conclude that it's possible. You simply wouldn't know.
So when people say "anything's possible", that's simply not true. Plenty of things are both logically and physically impossible.
If you want to say something's possible, you have to demonstrate it. Scientists who propose abiogenesis as a possibility for the origin of life just didn't assume this because "anything's possible". No, they did tests and found that, in nature, the building blocks of life can form naturally. Therefore, life forming through abiogenesis is physically possible and doesn't contradict logic, so we can definitively conclude that it's indeed possible (but not yet proven).
If you want to say something is possible, you have to have to be able to demonstrate that. |
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WizBro
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| 21 Dec 2014 04:10 PM |
| It is possible to shoot yourself in the head. And that is everything you need. |
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| 21 Dec 2014 04:10 PM |
@wiz
what if you didn't have any hands? |
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AluminumX
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| 21 Dec 2014 04:11 PM |
| Your right. I knew it was impossible for you to have a brain. Oh well then. :/ |
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AluminumX
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| 21 Dec 2014 04:11 PM |
| You're* FLOOD CHECK FLOOD CHECK FLOOD CHECK DONT DO DIS |
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| 21 Dec 2014 04:12 PM |
@AluminumX
That was the lamest dis ever. |
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| 21 Dec 2014 04:12 PM |
this thread was just one huge unnecessary rant. it's more of a figure of speech then a literal saying. so, stop pls.
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| 21 Dec 2014 04:14 PM |
@golfgames1
No it's not, people who say it mean it literally. What else could they mean by it? It's not a "figure of speech" because it doesn't have a second meaning.
In fact, I've seen Christians try to use this as a logical premise to "prove" God's existence. They'd say, because anything's possible, and everything occurs in every dimension given that String Theory is accurate, then God must exist in at least one dimension, thus, he could transcend all the dimensions and control ours. Thus, God must necessarily exist.
This argument relies on the premise that it is actually possible for God to exist. Which they've not yet demonstrated. |
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GoshiDoll
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| 21 Dec 2014 04:16 PM |
Well for thr God thing, I have a way out of many to look at it.
Is he truly all loving and forgiving?
Yes?
Then there's no reason to worship him.
No?
Then he's not truly all loving and forgiving. |
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| 21 Dec 2014 04:18 PM |
| Some things seem impossible, but it's just really hard to do. |
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| 21 Dec 2014 04:19 PM |
okay, i am christian and i find that highly offensive. why bring God into it? it's not really saying anything is possible, it's more of saying we can do anything if we put our mind to it. yes, it's not like we are saying light can escape a black hole's gravitational pull. we're saying that whatever we think is impossible, we can do it if we put our mind to it. again, this is not saying that we can fly without any type of plane, figure of speech.
don't aim this at Christians, Christians aren't the only religion or type of people that are saying anything is possible. can't believe people still stereotype now a days.
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GoshiDoll
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| 21 Dec 2014 04:21 PM |
| Logic and reason is the best weapon. Makes them go a-whinin'. |
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| 21 Dec 2014 04:23 PM |
>"okay, i am christian and i find that highly offensive."
That's your own fault.
>"why bring God into it?"
Because it's relevant.
>"it's not really saying anything is possible, it's more of saying we can do anything if we put our mind to it."
Which also isn't true. I can't become a square circle if I put my mind to it.
>"yes, it's not like we are saying light can escape a black hole's gravitational pull. we're saying that whatever we think is impossible, we can do it if we put our mind to it."
Which isn't true.
>"again, this is not saying that we can fly without any type of plane, figure of speech."
Figure of speech for what? You just repeated it literally.
>"don't aim this at Christians, Christians aren't the only religion or type of people that are saying anything is possible."
But who really cares about any other religion? Nearly everyone in my country is Christian. I've never actually talked to a Muslim or another Buddhists ever. They're incredibly rare finds, so why even bring them up?
>"can't believe people still stereotype now a days."
I wasn't even making a stereotype.
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lagio
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| 21 Dec 2014 04:24 PM |
| I'll have to correct your second argument. Yes, nothing travels faster than the speed of light in a vacuum. No, things CAN travel faster than the speed of light through certain objects. Which is why Cherenkov radiation even exists. |
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lagio
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| 21 Dec 2014 04:26 PM |
| You just weren't being specific so I had to correct you to prevent others from being corrupted by your ignorance |
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| 21 Dec 2014 04:29 PM |
@lagio
Okay, sorry, I wasn't explicit enough. But you get my point. |
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| 21 Dec 2014 04:31 PM |
| It means anything possible, IS POSSIBLE |
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| 21 Dec 2014 04:31 PM |
>"okay, i am christian and i find that highly offensive."
That's your own fault.
>> it's my fault for being christian? you literally just slammed my whole religion. i don't know what religion you are, but Atheism is not a religion. you don't get a fancy name just because you don't believe in anyone. even if you don't believe in God, all these silly other religions have to make you turn your freaking head at least the slightest bit. if not, you must be mentally disable to comprehend the most common knowledge of man kind.
>"why bring God into it?"
Because it's relevant.
>>how does talking things being impossible and possible relate with God.. omg.
>"it's not really saying anything is possible, it's more of saying we can do anything if we put our mind to it."
Which also isn't true. I can't become a square circle if I put my mind to it.
>>no comment, this made me rethink this whole thread.
>"yes, it's not like we are saying light can escape a black hole's gravitational pull. we're saying that whatever we think is impossible, we can do it if we put our mind to it."
Which isn't true.
>>so light can escape a black hole?
>"again, this is not saying that we can fly without any type of plane, figure of speech."
Figure of speech for what? You just repeated it literally.
>>oh my god, at least pretend you're trying to use your brain here..
>"don't aim this at Christians, Christians aren't the only religion or type of people that are saying anything is possible."
But who really cares about any other religion? Nearly everyone in my country is Christian. I've never actually talked to a Muslim or another Buddhists ever. They're incredibly rare finds, so why even bring them up?
>>just because they are rare doesn't mean they don't exist. that's like saying bees are rare to find but they don't exist. what kind of sense does that make? looking at it from your base of view, their is no God. Atheist are willing to throw common sense out the window just to prove a point.
>"can't believe people still stereotype now a days."
I wasn't even making a stereotype.
>>let me give you an example of stereotyping. i'm african american, so don't even pull the racism card. a black guy walks into the store and robs it. the next day, a different black guy comes in and everyone assumes he is going to rob the store due to the previous guy robbing the store was black. you said that all Christians do this, which thus, is stereotyping.
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| 21 Dec 2014 04:34 PM |
"But who really cares about any other religion? Nearly everyone in my country is Christian. I've never actually talked to a Muslim or another Buddhists ever. They're incredibly rare finds, so why even bring them up?"
That certainly doesn't justify the singling out of Christians to prove a point
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| 21 Dec 2014 04:39 PM |
| Tracked. This is a good point. Many of us have our heads in the clouds and need to realize that some things simply aren't possible so that we can all avoid being disappointed at one point in our lives. |
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| 21 Dec 2014 04:48 PM |
>"it's my fault for being christian?"
Yes, but that's not what I was saying at all. I was saying it's your fault for getting upset over something like that.
>"you literally just slammed my whole religion."
Nope. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're attacking you.
>"i don't know what religion you are, but Atheism is not a religion."
You REALLY can't guess what religion I am?
>"you don't get a fancy name just because you don't believe in anyone."
Well, I believe in my parents. Does that count? I'm pretty sure they exist.
>"even if you don't believe in God, all these silly other religions have to make you turn your freaking head at least the slightest bit."
And now YOU just attacked other religions. -.-
>" if not, you must be mentally disable to comprehend the most common knowledge of man kind."
Most important knowledge isn't dependent on religion.
>"how does talking things being impossible and possible relate with God.. omg."
I explained it.
>"so light can escape a black hole?"
Nope. Black holes don't travel faster than the speed of light either, nor is light slowed down in any way when it goes into a black hole. Don't pretend you know what you're talking about.
>"oh my god, at least pretend you're trying to use your brain here.."
Oh, now you're attacking MY character. Not once have I insulted religion or your character in this thread, but you've done both.
>"just because they are rare doesn't mean they don't exist."
Well no crap, Sherlock.
>"that's like saying bees are rare to find but they don't exist. what kind of sense does that make?"
None. You're just making a petty straw man argument.
>"looking at it from your base of view, their is no God. Atheist are willing to throw common sense out the window just to prove a point."
Nope. I don't claim "their [sic] is no God".
>"let me give you an example of stereotyping. i'm african american, so don't even pull the racism card. a black guy walks into the store and robs it. the next day, a different black guy comes in and everyone assumes he is going to rob the store due to the previous guy robbing the store was black."
I know what stereotyping is, don't insult my intelligence.
>"you said that all Christians do this, which thus, is stereotyping."
Nope, I never did. |
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| 21 Dec 2014 04:48 PM |
The truth only makes me more depressed about life as a whole either way it goes
"The Sauza so malo...", and then she said "You need to grow up." |
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| 21 Dec 2014 04:50 PM |
"They truth only makes me more depressed about life as a whole either way it goes"
This line here summarizes too much. |
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| 21 Dec 2014 05:11 PM |
Life sucks and then you die That's what I've realized
"The Sauza so malo...", and then she said "You need to grow up." |
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