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| 17 Dec 2014 09:48 PM |
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...So, it is widely excepted/thought/believed that we all came from monkeys, who came from mammals, who came from amphibians, who came from fish.
As the opening remark, if we evolved (in the macro sense) at all, we devolved. I mean, think about other creatures, arthropods, squid/octopuses, and other creatures, All the way back to the Cambrian ( when life was thought to be started) age, we ( all life) all started from the sea.
Arthropods (arachnids, crabs,) started as the predators, or as it is thought. I mean, they started with super crabs and scorpions, were extremely tough, killed other prey, they were super predators.
Then today, whilst still deadly, not as strong, or big, sort of a disappointment. We, humans, started as the first fish, first backbone, and fed off of other wounded animals in swarms. then zooming forward, we get small brains, and huge skulls, but can't swim fast to get away from predators.
And then to flabby amphibians who don't have any defenses, and there we stay, defenseless...What?
Whales, going all the way to before the dinosaurs, they are dog like creatures, and have teeth, and kill their prey, then to flabby masses with fins, so they are restricted to the water, where as their previous form, they were land and aquatic animals.
The first squid that gave rise to octopuses and more squid looked like modern day squid, but had a funnel that ejected water, as both a defense and a propulsion method. Again, what? ANTS
YEAH
ANTS
So given, this is not really a animal, it started as a fungus, A FUNGUS.
Fungus that ants ate, then the fungus took over the ants mind, and caused it to death-lock the ant's jaw onto a leaf. Again,
A FUNGUS AND AN ANT.
Let alone the queen ant they found that was the size of a hummingbird, and was thought to spray acid as a form of defense.
So now we have small ants that don't do much (not counting army ants, and fire ants.) Humans, with no defense, spiders and scorpions that other animals EAT, whales (that really don't have much going for them.), squid/octopuses that as the norm don't do much, and this is natural selection? I'm just saying here,
if the natural selection theory is true, we should all revert back to when we were best suited for life (Cambrian for us, other times for other creatures), because that's when we were equipped with the stuff we needed.
...But then I'm just a punk kid who is ignorant of modern theory, so pay me no mind.
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| 17 Dec 2014 09:52 PM |
inb4tldr
and yes i wrote all of this
i just copy pasted from a fb post i made
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| 17 Dec 2014 09:56 PM |
meh
i did not get any responses from facebook either
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| 17 Dec 2014 09:58 PM |
>"...So, it is widely excepted/thought/believed that" Evolution is a demonstrable fact, confirmed through just about every branch of science. It's as proven as gravity. >"we all came from monkeys" No, humans and monkeys share a common ancestor. >"who came from mammals" Humans are mammals. >"who came from amphibians, who came from fish." You never outgrow your ancenstry. Birds are still dinosaurs, humans are still fish. That's why humans are still classified in the same phylum as fish. We're both chordata. >"As the opening remark, if we evolved (in the macro sense) at all, we devolved." No, there's no such thing as "devolution". Evolution means change over time. Any change, whether beneficial or not, is evolution. >"I mean, think about other creatures, arthropods, squid/octopuses, and other creatures, All the way back to the Cambrian ( when life was thought to be started) age, we ( all life) all started from the sea." Yes, not sure how this means we "devolved". >"Arthropods (arachnids, crabs,) started as the predators, or as it is thought. I mean, they started with super crabs and scorpions, were extremely tough, killed other prey, they were super predators." Selective pressures caused the species to evolve to better fit the environment. All species who evolve evolve based on selective pressures. If they don't evolve, they die off. >"Then today, whilst still deadly, not as strong, or big, sort of a disappointment." "Survival of the fittest" doesn't mean "survival as the strong and big". It means "survival of the fittest". If being smaller, thus, harder to be tracked by predators, or being weaker, thus, making you less likely to be killed by predators who find you adorable (the reason why tiny yet adorable dogs exist), then you are the most fit for your environment. >"We, humans, started as the first fish, first backbone, and fed off of other wounded animals in swarms. then zooming forward, we get small brains, and huge skulls, but can't swim fast to get away from predators." So? >"And then to flabby amphibians who don't have any defenses, and there we stay, defenseless...What?" You're not even making any sense anymore. >"Whales, going all the way to before the dinosaurs, they are dog like creatures, and have teeth, and kill their prey, then to flabby masses with fins, so they are restricted to the water, where as their previous form, they were land and aquatic animals." The fact that they have lived for so long just shows you that they aren't "weak". They evolve to fit their environments, like everything else. This is just getting stupid. I'm going to skip to the end. >"...But then I'm just a punk kid who is ignorant of modern theory, so pay me no mind." Yes, you are. So please read a dang book. |
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| 17 Dec 2014 10:00 PM |
>Evolution is a demonstrable fact,
then demonstrate it
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| 17 Dec 2014 10:06 PM |
>"then demonstrate it" I guess asking you to read a book was a bit too hard of a request, wasn't it? http://necsi.edu/projects/evolution/evidence/evidence_intro.html http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topicbrowse2.php?topic_id=46 http://www.nyu.edu/projects/fitch/courses/evolution/html/evidence.html http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm
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| 17 Dec 2014 10:10 PM |
Did I tell you to 'point the way'?
No, I told you to demonstrate it.
How do you demonstrate Macro-Evolution, without using Micro-Evolution?
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| 17 Dec 2014 10:12 PM |
@Malchizedek
Macroevolution is just a lot of microevolution BY DEFINITION.
You're really an imbecile. My gods, how can anyone be this stupid? And we've observed it on many occasions IN REAL TIME.
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/news/100201_speciation
But who cares if we observe it in real time? It's proven beyond a shadow of doubt with DNA hierarchies and massive amounts of fossil evidence.
READ A BOOK. |
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| 17 Dec 2014 10:14 PM |
>Macroevolution is just lots of microevolution
I'm sorry but we know this as fact, not theory:
dog = dog = dog = dog = dog = dog = dog = dog
never have we seen
dog = dog = dog = dog = dog = dog = dog = bird
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| 17 Dec 2014 10:16 PM |
"dog = dog = dog = dog = dog = dog = dog = bird" If we saw that it would DISPROVE evolution, you dimwitted retard! |
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| 17 Dec 2014 10:17 PM |
...Right.
So let me guess,
I throw out yet another theory that we know to be true, and the rules of the game change yet again, hmm?
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| 17 Dec 2014 10:19 PM |
No, evolution theory never changed. You just lack the very basic understanding of the most successful and most repeatedly demonstrated and confirmed scientific theory in the history of mankind. And it's worse than that. Not only do you lack the most basic understanding, but you don't WANT to learn. You WANT to be an ignorant dimwit conspiretard. Go read a freaking book. I'm done with your idiocy. |
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| 17 Dec 2014 10:19 PM |
Natural Selection has nothing to do with evolution. None whatsoever.
Natural Selection state that the dumb will die, because they cannot adapt. They have nothing in common with Evolution.
Someone can believe in Natural Selection, while not believe in Evolution. |
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| 17 Dec 2014 10:20 PM |
In any case,
When the conversation is over, You'll still hate that I have entertained the vary idea that evolution and natural selection are false, and that's not a me problem, that's a you problem.
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| 17 Dec 2014 10:22 PM |
| Evolution by natural selection is directly tied to changes in the environment. What was once suitable for our ancestor species changed and acted as a selection pressure for varying allele frequencies, which led to further speciation. What was once most suitable is irrelevant because environmental changes generally happen relatively quickly compared to speciation. |
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| 17 Dec 2014 10:23 PM |
| Creationism is an even more absurd theory. |
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| 17 Dec 2014 10:24 PM |
Evolution by natural selection would never work the way you said it.
It would be like red fish, red fish are the tastiest of fish, red fish then hide or some crap then over time they change.
This can be seen with the two breeds of squirrel on either side of the GC. I don't feel like explaining to you about the two breeds, because you won't get it. |
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| 17 Dec 2014 10:24 PM |
@Awkrin Oh my goodness, more idiocy. I just can't stand this. Natural selection is a proven phenomenon in nature. It's just as factual of a law of nature as Newton's laws of gravity. Natural selection is the driving force behind evolution. It not that the "dumb will die", it's that the least fit die, and the most fit live, and so, as genes naturally mutate over time, mutations that are beneficial to survival become prevalent, while mutations that are not die off. Thus, we find that life is constantly changing and adapting to its environment. All life is adapted to its environment. It's the reason penguins are really good at surviving the cold and camels are really good at surviving the heat, and not the other way around. No evolutionary biologist is stupid enough to deny the fact of natural selection. Some argue that it's not the ONLY driving force, but it's just a demonstrable fact that it's the main one. |
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