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| 08 Dec 2014 08:32 PM |
It's not.
Did I get your attention?
If so, either a. Continue reading, b. Read one sentence and then say something that makes you seem like a smartass, or c. Be the ignorant type of C&Ger.
With that being said, I'll explain a bit more.
The Clan World, as many have put it for the past few years, is undergoing a major decline. Our reasons for thus? The absence and gradual rate of old-time veterans leaving, with inexperienced soldiers left to take up the mantle.
Of course, there's been plenty, hundreds of arguments about this already, "OMG THE CLAN WORLD IS DYING" or counter arguments like "Hey guys, look, don't fret, we're doing just fine."
Well honestly, it's neither.
We're at a point in our, should I say, "lifespan" that we're caught up in this point that we really don't know if it's good, or bad. To be honest, I don't have a definition of "good" or "bad." Instead, it's about if it meets or doesn't meet the standards accepted by a certain group or individual.
Let's look at a clan. For instance, the Vaktovian Empire.
Back in pre-2011 or so, Vaktovia was arguably the strongest dominating force around. Now, people say they raid "7 hours or so" or say "oh, VAK has declined so much man HCOM sucks inactive leader bad skill horrible filter group system blah blah blah".
Well, it's not entirely true that VAK hasn't met any hardship or hasn't gone through several obstacles on their path. But to me, I think they've gotten better.
Let's think about this. A leader (Emperor Vaktus) was able to establish a foundation for such a strong clan. The system must be well-organized, not perfect but to the point in which it can endure hardship and suffering. VAK has seen hardship, no doubt: just look at 2013. Vaktus himself admitted that they nearly died, but hey, they came back, whupped 4 clans in the ass, and they've regained much respect from the community versus 2013. ('course, not everyone agreed.)
So then, what makes it so that people say VAK has declined? Information from C&G? We all know that we are unreliable, at least most of us, because we haven't had the heart to go and find out the truth, we rely on those who sit around and fiddle their thumbs and attempt to curve the warscore or whatever they hear. 7 hours raiding at Indigo? I highly doubt that.
But even if you agree that VAK is bad by raiding for 7 hours whilst winning a few servers, then what do you say to when VAK comes back and gets 22 wins in a month, with each clan hardly lasting more than 2 hours? This is an example of "learning from mistakes." Something a few of us can use...
But this goes to show that it's possible for a clan to become better. VAK learns from it's mistakes, and of course, the next round, they dominate.
Then why is it that clans seem to be deteriorating?
We put most of the blame on the new, inexperienced people: RCL'ers who just know how to rush; noobs who act so serious and yet don't know anything; 18 year olds who log on after years and have no idea what's going on now.
But maybe we should be focusing on the experienced people. I mean, hell, it's always the ancestors that set the precedent and standards for future generations to follow. Prag, I hate to call you out, but making and leaving clans so often doesn't exactly encourage new clan leaders to have a strong mindset about making a long-lasting group.
And when you think about VAK and how it matches up with other clans, you'll realize that you may see VAK as the one clan deteriorating, but really, isn't it other clans that took their potential to rise and ascend?
So, what now?
We have an arguably horrible community, that's something controversial. One side says what I just mentioned, the other side says "oh we're just being ourselves can't we do that online?" But I'm honestly not TOO concerned about the community itself.
Why? Well, we have a good load of matured clanners still around and they are happy to lecture C&Gers on how they are mistaken or whatever. One subforum can be viewed to be so horrible just because of 10-20 members that don't have grammar (take Fruitsz and InstantImpact). But there's much more than 10-20 members that have the ability to be a mature person and handle situations better than when they aren't as serious.
And those C&Gers messing around? Now, here's another question to answer the previous. Isn't this whole subforum ruled on attention? There you go.
Technology is rising, clans are starting to fit the standard of having Bricktops, holos, advanced training areas, etc. We are fitting into the standards, and from my eyes, that's better than complaining on how all clans are so badly made. Of course, not every clan is or seem original, but they probably just haven't had the chance to make themselves original, or they've lost hope due to our predecessors setting a bad example.
So what about our ways? How we complain that new leaders are inexperienced and serious without any proper argumentative abilities? Those that advertise way too much? Those that seem as though they can easily give up hope or succumb to the slightest point of weakness.
Well, like I said, not everything's perfect, and here is something that definitely isn't. Oh, aren't I Captain Obvious. Anyways, these "new leaders" can either learn the hard way on their own, or get help. It's not everybody's issue to make sure a relatively unknown leader has good tech, etc. because most of them already fit into the standard of clans, but not the standard of leaders.
So all in all, I strongly believe that I've written a boring hell of a wordwall. No? Okay, let's try that again.
To wrap it up, I really don't believe the clan world is "dying", but instead it's improving. It's just oblivious to most of us, and to people who focus on one little thing instead of seeing the "big picture." We often rely on each other so much that we forget it's alright to be individual, because let's face it: there are times when standing up alone is better than joining the crowd.
Did I restate most of what you think, or have already been known by some?...I hope I did, because there's a good chance this thread will get your brain running again. Or not, because it's dead from reading.
I'm tired, and I bet you are too, but I hope this gave you a better understanding of what's going around you in the Clan World. Of course, I'm not saying that you should agree with me, as I know there WILL be people who won't. You are entitled to your freedom of thought and speech. But I do ask you consider what I stated here. Track it if you'd like to read it in the future, or later on.
Thanks for reading.
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| 08 Dec 2014 08:36 PM |
| Hey, Rae! I see that you followed choice b. Read one sentence and then say something that makes you seem like a smartass |
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| 08 Dec 2014 08:36 PM |
I read about the first 3 paragraphs and came to two conclusions:
1. ROBLOX Admins (Most importantly, Saint Michael "b1tsh1ft" Slater), are not participating actively and **fairly** in clans. They're not feeding us updates that specifically benefit clans, other than an API update every few months.
2. ROBLOX's target audience likes to be really shifty, and moves all over the place. Currently, you have little kids pretending to be teenagers, and doing a bad job at it, being unable to handle the responsibilities, and when they eventually get the crown of their state, they squeak around and turn it into another Vecto Empire, or degrade and defile it, such as with Raven Empire, or RAT.
i listen to holy words upon any source I can find, regardless of legitimacy.
- B1tsh1ft's #1 Fan! - Loyal Crusader of Knights B1tsh1ft! - REMEMBER OUR GOD! - |
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| 08 Dec 2014 08:38 PM |
Glory to Vak
This basically sums it up in my opinion: 1.Terrible community 2. Builders and leaders listening to stupid complaints about forts and gameplay. 3.Enforcing grammar a little bit too much |
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| 08 Dec 2014 08:39 PM |
| the clan world is slower than it was but thats because of this hell called school. but it definitely isnt deteriorating |
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| 08 Dec 2014 08:41 PM |
But seriously Rae, at least they improved. They didn't raid 7 hours like before, now didn't they? And they sure got more wins out of the times they raided, now didn't they?
@Byte Good points that I can somewhat agree with. @2nd Grammar isn't too much of an issue, imo. It's just some people's standards are...different. It's the soldier who determines if they should listen and follow-or not. |
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| 08 Dec 2014 08:43 PM |
"by someone who doesn't know sht"
So which do you prefer? A person who can stand back and have a view on the clan community as a whole, or a C&Ger who's entitled to one viewpoint and enjoys to distort things? |
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| 08 Dec 2014 08:45 PM |
I read the whole thing, but I skipped a few parts and fast read. ANYWAY, why does everyone have to waste their life explaining why or why not the clan world is dying? I see this kind of post everyday.
I really don't care, I believe we're selfish, since when did the promise updates to the clan world?
From what I know, all they update is studio components, and new content, and a few bugs here and there. Besides that, why should they step out and update the group section too?
We're not that special, I hate sob stories, everything about the clan world is people growing up, and leaving. Then new ones come in, and new experienced players are made, the veterans just complain. |
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| 08 Dec 2014 08:45 PM |
I'm not focused on my grammar bud
I'm trying to make the point across that VAK learned from it's mistakes and improved. Even if it was a slight improvement or barely noticeable (in other people's or your terms) |
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| 08 Dec 2014 08:45 PM |
Tl;Dr
Clan world not falling apart, but we have a community that outright doesn't treat ROBLOX like an MMO, and therefore treats it more like it's sandbox elements. This causes them to hate clans's natural PvP nature, and in addition, because they're small children, be awkwardly heterogeneous to the clan community in the first place, driving them out even further.
Idiots such as Team Domino re-introduce clans, with the features they want, but do it in a way where you're not really showing off the clan world, but instead a glorified fan club. Hence why you don't see a lot of FEAR kids going into real clans later on.
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| 08 Dec 2014 08:45 PM |
1. no one thinks the clan world is dying, although
it is in a general decline
2. the future isn't in the veteran, it's in the newbag (should be my siggy)
3. you basically insulted the community and then said that the community is why clans will survive
Join the clan wiki and make an account! https://twitter.com/canttweetthis_/status/536562890279776256 |
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| 08 Dec 2014 08:46 PM |
@Lead
Actually, I'm hoping that my thread is the one to clear up all the "omg it's dying" or "it's not dying." There's a section in the thread dedicated to that.
The whole point is to assure that the clan world isn't perfect, but it's not dying. Thus, we should stop worrying about it, and focus on creating new standards.
It's all about the future. |
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| 08 Dec 2014 08:49 PM |
"you basically insulted the community and said it's the community that is the reason why clans survive"
Er, no.
Always seem that my statements are misinterpreted...
Yes, yes, to you I'm insulting some people in the community. But to me, and I'm sure some others, I'm actually looking at the more mature and well-equipped members. And the ratio, while not extremely misapportionated, is still one where we can decently thrive on...
Rae, no. |
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| 08 Dec 2014 08:50 PM |
@Prea
What kind of updates are c&g expecting?
BWE Grand Council & Head of War!
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| 08 Dec 2014 08:51 PM |
You already show bias, there is already misinformation on your thread and you contradicted yourself twice, not to mention you use VAK as an example in Clans because VAK is sooo much like other clans.
Irony at its best |
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| 08 Dec 2014 08:53 PM |
I agree, I see that Vak is not like other clans, but a giant child hungry for power, on the other hand. Other clans = family. I make friends in clans. You tend to stay in clans if you got friends.
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| 08 Dec 2014 08:54 PM |
THANK YOU RAE. YOU FINALLY UNDERSTAND. JESUS.
Draco, the point of my article is not for you to find little pieces of information in here and use it against me. It's for the reader to understand the main point (which I stated so above in the comments). Sure, go ahead and say it's biased anyways. Know that I care about you and the community's comments. Why else would I respond to them? You are entitled to your own judgement and I am entitled to refuting it as best as possible. |
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| 08 Dec 2014 08:54 PM |
VAK never raided Indigo for 7 hours, if anything clans have really changed it's technology dramatically. New features, and ideas to raid, why should the clan get special new features? Use what ROBLOX gives.
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