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Re: Valor Legion

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DarkHazardous is not online. DarkHazardous
Joined: 23 Jun 2010
Total Posts: 5
08 Dec 2014 07:52 PM
This is primarily directed at the leadership of Valor Legion, and is probably a good read for those in the clan. If you don't fall under one of those categories, lolwotrudoinghere.

VL is a broken clan, I'm sure you all know it. A series of incompetent leaders later, it is still broken. Mainly because those who run the clan refuse to move on and let go.

This whole 'shared leadership' thing is a great idea, but when its shared between people who have all failed at reviving the clan at one point or another, what makes you think it will turn out differently this time? If you want to fix VL, let go of the past and demote/exile all the 'veterans' (who are really just inactive people who don't like getting bossed around in a clan they once were important in; so they beg for HR even though they won't do anything with it), and get new high ranks. But you also need a new leader, or leading principles.

VL doesn't need the same broken leadership with a new name. And it sure as hell doesn't need the leaders acting like they just fell from heaven with modern technology and found people living in a cave. Not naming names dear friends Nynir and Skoteinos.

If you want to see VL fixed, let go of your pride. You failed. Accept it and find someone who can fix VL. If your pride is stronger than your will to see VL live again, you have lost sight of what you do this for.

While you're all to busy arguing about who should lead VL, nothing is getting done. You're all trying to 'fix' the internal issues of VL by verbally quashing doubts about your leadership, unbeknownst to you raising the questions further. The only way to dissuade those who argue that you are wrong, is to prove them wrong. Accept their criticisms and benefit from what they have to say. If you are too stubborn and prideful to see it any way but your own, the ideas of leadership have escaped you. Actions speak louder than words, especially if the words are snide, arrogant comments crushing an individual who only seeks to aid you. I'm not saying they phrase their advice in the kindest of ways, but even then their point should be acknowledged. If you want to prove their comment wrong, do it. Don't smack your keyboard and expect to fix it.

All bad leaders can become good leaders if they accept they've done wrong, acknowledge their wrongs to those they lead, and take action to fix their wrongs.

Bite down your pride and your temper that will most likely flare upon reading this, for I only seek to see VL prosper.

Before you try, don't tell me I'm 'unaware of the situation.' You simply refuse to acknowledge the truth. The truth hurts. I won't bother replying to any comments posted on this thread.

Yours truly,
ziggly27
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SovereignFox is not online. SovereignFox
Joined: 30 Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1230
08 Dec 2014 07:56 PM
Agreed. I'd love to see VL in a better state.
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BrandonBubbler is not online. BrandonBubbler
Joined: 26 Feb 2011
Total Posts: 1416
08 Dec 2014 07:58 PM
Alright.
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Lifeishere is not online. Lifeishere
Joined: 20 Jul 2012
Total Posts: 208
08 Dec 2014 08:10 PM
Although I agree, I feel like these "revive vl oohrah111" forums have been constant.
It sounds great, but so did Tenals plan, connors plan, or even Rexauro's plan.
It sounds good, like the rest. Maybe the plan will work if it even is worked out, but it feels like these plans just keep getting rejected over and over.
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SockHop is not online. SockHop
Joined: 29 Dec 2011
Total Posts: 409
08 Dec 2014 08:29 PM
I do agree with most of what you've said, Ziggy. Or I at least agree to understand what you and other members of VL must be seeing at this moment in time. But I also feel as if many are unaware of the work going on behind the scenes. The hours Skot, Nynir, Tenal and myself are putting towards getting Valor Legion developed and perfected so that it may soon be up and running to its full potential.

I just ask that you give us more time before assuming that it is a failed effort. You can point out how each of us have failed to 'fix' VL in the past, but you fail to point out how each of us have done a ton of successful work for VL in the past.

Again, I only ask for your patience.

I also feel compelled to defend myself and say that I have never failed to help VL succeed in any way, at any point in time. And this will be no different.

Thank you, friends.
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iEvaporated is not online. iEvaporated
Joined: 22 Jun 2011
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08 Dec 2014 08:36 PM
Agreeeeeed.
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SockHop is not online. SockHop
Joined: 29 Dec 2011
Total Posts: 409
08 Dec 2014 08:45 PM
I also must add that I completely disagree with demoting/exiling any former clan leader without just cause. As someone who took a major part in developing VL from the very beginning, it's unfathomable for me to even think that I may be treated with such disrespect from clan members that I paved the way for.

Whether you like it or not, those "inactive people who don't like getting bossed around in a clan they once were important in" are the deep roots and history of Valor Legion. History is everything to a clan, Ziggly. Without history and roots Valor Legion would only be a clan with a few thousand members, nothing more.
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Connorking88the8th is not online. Connorking88the8th
Joined: 14 Dec 2008
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08 Dec 2014 08:50 PM
Question, Seth, what exactly does all those hours of work that Scorch and Skot do go to? Because so far there has been no publicized results of anything worth mentioning.
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T2C is not online. T2C
Joined: 25 Aug 2012
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08 Dec 2014 08:51 PM
The group would be fine if a certain someone we all know of was finally given ownership.
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DarkHazardous is not online. DarkHazardous
Joined: 23 Jun 2010
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08 Dec 2014 09:04 PM
actually seth I forgot you were a part of this

all the leaders -1
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DarkHazardous is not online. DarkHazardous
Joined: 23 Jun 2010
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08 Dec 2014 09:12 PM
and while I'm breaking my no commenting rule....



I never stated that my thought to demote all inactive veterans was the right one, but it would work. While this destroys VL, it also creates a new VL. This is just one solution to a problem that has many.

and for further reference I'm done with VL for good, so nothing that happens here is of consequence to me.
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Skoteinos is not online. Skoteinos
Joined: 29 Jul 2011
Total Posts: 3203
08 Dec 2014 09:24 PM
sorry sir you're right as always and everyone don't reply to the smart-ass wall posts op makes or else he'll call you an arrogant idiot and rq the group!!

other than that yeah you are for the most part right
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SLPM is not online. SLPM
Joined: 02 Apr 2010
Total Posts: 33349
08 Dec 2014 09:33 PM
Talking won't solve anything. Skot, Nynir. and Tenal have made it clear that no matter what anyone says they'll continue ruining the group because they have no sense of morality. They can't admit when they're wrong and have continued to abuse anyone in the group that is against them by using both hateful words and their admin powers. VL is finished, everyone who wants VL to be the way it once was should just leave and make a new group together. That is the only way to accomplish anything.
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Nynir is not online. Nynir
Joined: 04 Apr 2009
Total Posts: 2004
08 Dec 2014 09:41 PM
"Not naming names dear friends Nynir and Skoteinos."

What was even the purpose of the 'not naming names' if you were going to name names after? And let me put this frankly; I'm not putting up with BS on the wall. To be frank, your "freedom of speech" is forfeited when your comments are degenerating and insulting.

"Please murder him, because morality"
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SLPM is not online. SLPM
Joined: 02 Apr 2010
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08 Dec 2014 09:42 PM
Almost everything you and Skot say is insulting.
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Skoteinos is not online. Skoteinos
Joined: 29 Jul 2011
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08 Dec 2014 09:43 PM
poor short is sad he won't get vl ://
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SLPM is not online. SLPM
Joined: 02 Apr 2010
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08 Dec 2014 09:44 PM
I'm content with my group. 38 people and far more people to events than VL. Close to 100% activity, my group is more fun. Nuff said
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Skoteinos is not online. Skoteinos
Joined: 29 Jul 2011
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08 Dec 2014 09:48 PM
woah you're such a bigshot i'm so envious!!
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SLPM is not online. SLPM
Joined: 02 Apr 2010
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08 Dec 2014 09:48 PM
You should be, but you're too stupid to mean it. lel
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SockHop is not online. SockHop
Joined: 29 Dec 2011
Total Posts: 409
08 Dec 2014 09:49 PM
This forum was made with slight purpose.

These posts serve no purpose. We're done here, Valor Legion. And that includes you, SLPM.
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SLPM is not online. SLPM
Joined: 02 Apr 2010
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08 Dec 2014 09:53 PM
Tenal, Skot, and Nynir have made it clear that it does not include me. I am not Valor Legion anymore, even if I wanted to me I cannot be. I am black listed for telling Nynir to get active, being exiled, then being let in and having everyone in VL protest for me to be made leader.
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SLPM is not online. SLPM
Joined: 02 Apr 2010
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08 Dec 2014 09:53 PM
*even if I wanted to be*
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Skoteinos is not online. Skoteinos
Joined: 29 Jul 2011
Total Posts: 3203
08 Dec 2014 09:54 PM
i should be envious of the likes of you? settle your ego down; i'll be envious of you when hell freezes over.
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SLPM is not online. SLPM
Joined: 02 Apr 2010
Total Posts: 33349
08 Dec 2014 09:56 PM
Everyone has an ego, I simply have a reason to have one unlike you.


<-> Do not kneel when you are right, stand proudly and face all odds. <->
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LordLancer is online. LordLancer
Joined: 24 Jul 2011
Total Posts: 12009
08 Dec 2014 10:01 PM
what needs to be done is equal action to follow all of this talk that has been going on in VL for two years.
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