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Re: Communism is terrible in theory, let alone in practice

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RadecMortem is not online. RadecMortem
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01 Dec 2014 08:03 PM
It supports that everyone is equal, and that is where it is wrong.

Not everyone is equal. A hobo off of the street is worth less than Einstein when he was alive.

Learn that if you have to end either a president or a hobo, any person in their right mind would have no trouble choosing.

There are too many lazy freeloaders that want rights, they deserve NONE.

I've discussed it with Communists in real life, they're all arrogant and unwilling to keep an open mind, as well as unable to make a decent point.


~Get Radekt
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CoejoeTheGreat is not online. CoejoeTheGreat
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01 Dec 2014 08:05 PM
Obviously they deserve rights, but they shouldn't think themselves as anyone's equal.

The truth is that we are born equal. A child from a poor family can grow up to be a great leader. However, the very mindset that you are one step behind everyone causes most people to stop dreaming.

CoejoeTheGreat, the Peacekeeper of Fire Warriors Clan
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HolidayWorld is not online. HolidayWorld
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01 Dec 2014 08:06 PM
Well the actual economic reason it fails is that it fails to promote innovation since everyone gets paid the same.
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BoostPowah is not online. BoostPowah
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01 Dec 2014 08:06 PM
No one is born equal, but it is important to treat all men equally and with the same level of regard as one another.

noot noot
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Skyman772 is not online. Skyman772
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01 Dec 2014 08:06 PM
Equal opportunity, not equal outcome.
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SummerSurfer is not online. SummerSurfer
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01 Dec 2014 08:07 PM
there will always be competition to be better then everyone else

Our pet's heads are fallin' off!
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SummerSurfer is not online. SummerSurfer
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01 Dec 2014 08:07 PM
than** -__-

Our pet's heads are fallin' off!
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CoejoeTheGreat is not online. CoejoeTheGreat
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01 Dec 2014 08:08 PM
@Skyman,

that's what i was getting at but yours is much better

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628ninja is not online. 628ninja
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01 Dec 2014 08:08 PM
Democracy, democracy.
It's not what the people want. Heck, its not even what they need.

xd


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Froast is not online. Froast
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01 Dec 2014 08:09 PM
most people are not born equal
the closest are identical twins
still not equal
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rodgerdodger is not online. rodgerdodger
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01 Dec 2014 08:10 PM
Progressively the world will head towards a communist-socialist type system where an entity pays for the needs of every person. Is it a sustainable goal, maybe? I don't know the technology that will be out in that time. Is it a sustainable goal right now? No.
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UrbanPhoenix is not online. UrbanPhoenix
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01 Dec 2014 08:11 PM
I love you Uncle Rodger.
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E981 is not online. E981
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01 Dec 2014 08:14 PM
"Progressively the world will head towards a communist-socialist type system where an entity pays for the needs of every person. Is it a sustainable goal, maybe? I don't know the technology that will be out in that time. Is it a sustainable goal right now? No."

Hey Rodger. E981 here telling you;
No it won't not at all.

Definition of communism=Dictatorship of the proletariat.

1 man, 1 dictator always takes over. Dictatorships in real life aren't good & never work.

That's why it'll never happen.

Frankly the world is majorly destined to be more of a Neo-Capitilist setup than anything.
Also communism eventually collapses, because nobody inside innovates or gets off their butts to make money, while the government spends money on them for their housing & stuff, which leaves the country at an overall deficit of spending more money than what comes in.

That's what happened to Soviet Russia. The more you know Rodger.
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VaktovianMenace is not online. VaktovianMenace
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01 Dec 2014 08:14 PM
The perverted version of totalitarian fascism practiced throughout the world masquerading as 'communism' during the last century was the result of the communist revolutionaries struggle to maintain power and spread their ideology to other nations. They should have been focusing on promoting social and economic inequality in their own societies but instead they militarized and practiced a form of fascism.
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VaktovianMenace is not online. VaktovianMenace
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01 Dec 2014 08:15 PM
Sorry I meant addressing not promoting.
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rodgerdodger is not online. rodgerdodger
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01 Dec 2014 08:16 PM
I'm not talking about communism in practice E9, I'm talking about communism in theory.

but I see where you're coming from in the Neo-Capitalist point of view, that theory holds water as well.
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E981 is not online. E981
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01 Dec 2014 08:25 PM
@Vaktovian, bottomline is Communism doesn't work because of the nature of man. Because man is corruptible & totally power mad when giving total lasting authority.

While Communism can be governed by an oligarchy, & not just 1 man, the problem with it is that it's fundamentally a dictatorship.
Dictatorship of the proletariat means that essentially the workers have full authority & a dictatorship over wealthy people. Most commonly associated with Capitalists, successful ones ect.

It 100% excludes every political party from running that isn't communism.
So technically you could have different communist parties inside of this government running for president, or leader positions, but not fascist, capitalist, ect all other political/economic ideals.

& because of this, is why communism fails.
Because it's all 100% communist parties running, so there's no real challenge to any of the parties fundamentally that essentially 1 party becomes more dominant/takes control over the others, & becomes the permanent party with whoever runs it at the head. So it always ends up boiling down to 1 person taking over complete control, & 1 political party taking over complete control, & as you know anybody with supreme absolute power doesn't matter who, gets corrupt & the whole thing ends up being ruined.


The flaw of communism is that it's a dictatorship. & man is very corruptible.







@Rodger.

I'm talking all forms of conceived communism ever.
The grim reality of Communism on this planet is that it doesn't work because of the corruptible nature of man & power.
Communism the idea, in a perfect world; if that's what you're describing; yes would work 100%.

If it did work I don't think I would totally endorse it though, because people get lazy from having all their housing & stuff paid for without really having to lift a finger.
Gov't system would work, just people would be so lazy.


Really on the end of the whole Neo-Capitalism deal I'm talking about here is because every other political-economic system in the world that we know of, doesn't work & has caved in on itself.
Thus by default Capitalism-A form of capitalism (Unless we get struck back to the dark ages somehow) is really going to end up being the leading economic/political system for the rest of the majority of the world. :P
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GetClanned is not online. GetClanned
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01 Dec 2014 08:25 PM
in my opinion communism can be good if it's not a total communistic government
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UrbanPhoenix is not online. UrbanPhoenix
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01 Dec 2014 08:26 PM
Technology and Resource has brought many economic changes in history. As well as many social changes and revolutions and wars. You can never say what can and cannot work for you never know what will lie ahead in the future. Communism cannot work in our world today, and I accept this.

Communism is different, it for another world's value. Our world today works with greed and control. In order for the true form of Communism(Or Marxism) to work is if society's values were to change to integrity and share, and this will only happen if the change occurs naturally(not forcibly, which is why USSR failed).

Perhaps if we Humans make it to another planet, and that colony sort of branches off to it's own nation, perhaps then that's when they'll attempt a true Communist/Marxist society. Yet, that's in the future, and we as Humanity can only wait to see.
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E981 is not online. E981
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01 Dec 2014 08:27 PM
@GetClanned.

That made no sense at all.

You just justified Communism as working, by describing Communism with a word derived from "Communism". :P

It's like saying a rock exists because a rock is rocky & exists.
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GetClanned is not online. GetClanned
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01 Dec 2014 08:28 PM
what i meant is that communism can be good if you make certain modifications to its original ideals
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UrbanPhoenix is not online. UrbanPhoenix
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01 Dec 2014 08:30 PM
Accept the fact that we're all ignorant, E981. ACCEPT IT! :P
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E981 is not online. E981
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01 Dec 2014 08:36 PM
@Urban.

No. Seriously, Communism is a dead cause on any planet.

It's cool & ok to have it as some fake imaginary clan platform on roblox or something for your government. But in real life it just actually doesn't work. You really can't even argue against what I'm saying here when Soviet Russian itself the kingpin of all Communist nations on this planet, economically imploded on itself.

Literally; Communism is literally just like a government/political ponzi scheme. You need to scam & bring in more people's money, to keep some for yourself & give returns to the previous people you scammed & promised generous returns to so they don't think it's a scam.

Communism pays for everything, & this makes the people lazy. They don't make new things, innovate, or make new industries.
Eventually the country spends more money on it's citizens, than the country itself even takes in.

It's literally a ponzi scheme. In the end, you eventually run out of other people's money. Because there's only so many people in your country or in the world you can actually tax or get money from. & if they aren't getting outside money.. Well it crashed.

"Accept the fact that we're all ignorant, E981. ACCEPT IT! :P"

Not ignorant. That's an overly abused word on the internet.
You have to first totally realize what something is, to they ingore it.
Hence "Ignorant", base word "ignore".

You people aren't ignoring, you just don't full realize the true full nature of the subject matter we're speaking of that's all.
& I'm telling you.





@Clanned

No it can't.
It can't work in any format what so ever on this planet in the shape it is in.
Communism is fundamentally a dictatorship.
It's a complete solid set in stone fact, that absolute power, of any kind & any variation can corrupt anybody to the core fundamentally.

Because man is corruptible, Communism is corruptible.
Change man's inevitability towards corruption, then Communism will work.
It will never work with how man treats power now.
Seriously never.
Any kind of power corrupts. Even if you're the president of the United States. Or even some manager at a fast food chain.
It's literally almost inevitable corruption.
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dracomanx is not online. dracomanx
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01 Dec 2014 08:38 PM
@OP

Communism is perfect on Paper,but not in reality.

Oh and Civilization in its current form will collapse on itself, as long as "countries" exist.
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UrbanPhoenix is not online. UrbanPhoenix
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01 Dec 2014 08:39 PM
Someone obviously hates being ignorant, but we all do. Yet, most of us don't accept that, which I accept that for it will be something I'll live with.
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