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Re: Can someone explain competitive battling to me?

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SongofSwords is not online. SongofSwords
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28 Nov 2014 01:14 PM
I don't understand it at all. I know that it involves stats and a lot of breeding, but that's it...

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TheFailWhale is not online. TheFailWhale
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28 Nov 2014 01:15 PM
The key is to EV train and have perfect IVs on your guys
Make sure you have a check for each of your Pokemon
Also get to know the base stats of every Pokemon as well as how they are used

And remember that not every Pokemon should be an attacker
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SongofSwords is not online. SongofSwords
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28 Nov 2014 01:17 PM
"The key is to EV train and have perfect IVs on your guys
Make sure you have a check for each of your Pokemon
Also get to know the base stats of every Pokemon as well as how they are used

And remember that not every Pokemon should be an attacker"

Uh, what's EV training? Is that when you battle specific Pokemon and get specific stats increased when you level up while battling them? (I tried to understand this a while ago). Are IVs the nature or what?
What does that mean?
Ok, that makes sense.

Yeah, defensive Pokemon, right?

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TheFailWhale is not online. TheFailWhale
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28 Nov 2014 01:19 PM
Pretty much but apparently they changed it and made it easier in the new games
And IVs are the nature but there's more to it as well - that I can't explain to you as I don't really know myself
For example, say you have a Defensively- oriented Tyranitar. Aura Sphere would kill it, no doubt, so you could probably have like a specially defensive Pokemon to switch in, take the hit and fight back
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SongofSwords is not online. SongofSwords
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28 Nov 2014 01:21 PM
"Pretty much but apparently they changed it and made it easier in the new games
And IVs are the nature but there's more to it as well - that I can't explain to you as I don't really know myself
For example, say you have a Defensively- oriented Tyranitar. Aura Sphere would kill it, no doubt, so you could probably have like a specially defensive Pokemon to switch in, take the hit and fight back"

Yeah, I think that's called Mega Training?
Oh. Sounds complicated.
How can you tell which Pokemon are designed for attack and which ones are designed for offense? By their stats?

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DiamondDragonite is not online. DiamondDragonite
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28 Nov 2014 01:22 PM
ivs are sorta like extra points that you can add to your pokemon's stats that are impossible to change and your pokemon is born with them

so for a pokemon to reach its full potential it would need 6 ivs in all stats

you find out what your pokemon's ivs are by different people in the games

some people breed their pokemon A LOT to get the perfect 6 ivs, sort of like pure breeding
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TheFailWhale is not online. TheFailWhale
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28 Nov 2014 01:23 PM
Stats, abilities, moves, etc
Mainly stats though
You should also make sure your Pokemon has ideal abilities by the way
For example, a Blaziken without Speed Boost is absolutely useless
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SongofSwords is not online. SongofSwords
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28 Nov 2014 01:30 PM
"ivs are sorta like extra points that you can add to your pokemon's stats that are impossible to change and your pokemon is born with them
so for a pokemon to reach its full potential it would need 6 ivs in all stats
you find out what your pokemon's ivs are by different people in the games
some people breed their pokemon A LOT to get the perfect 6 ivs, sort of like pure breeding"

Oh.

"Stats, abilities, moves, etc
Mainly stats though
You should also make sure your Pokemon has ideal abilities by the way
For example, a Blaziken without Speed Boost is absolutely useless"

That's because Blazikens already have naturally high speeds?

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TheFailWhale is not online. TheFailWhale
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28 Nov 2014 01:31 PM
Not exactly, they are pretty slow in comparison to some Pokemon
It needs the speed boost to be viable, especially if it means a boost in speed EVERY turn no matter what
Use him right and he'll outspeed a lot of otherwise faster Pokemon
With his great attack/spa stats too, as well as his fire AND fighting types, he's a force if used right
Hence why he's so overused since BW
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audyno is not online. audyno
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28 Nov 2014 01:32 PM
okay this is how i understand it:
ivs are like dna, you breed to get perfect, you can have them perfect in every stat
evs are like... idk? they're just training, like going to a gym, and you can have 252 in two stats, then four to go to other stats

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SongofSwords is not online. SongofSwords
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28 Nov 2014 01:35 PM
"Not exactly, they are pretty slow in comparison to some Pokemon
It needs the speed boost to be viable, especially if it means a boost in speed EVERY turn no matter what
Use him right and he'll outspeed a lot of otherwise faster Pokemon
With his great attack/spa stats too, as well as his fire AND fighting types, he's a force if used right
Hence why he's so overused since BW"

Oh.

"okay this is how i understand it:
ivs are like dna, you breed to get perfect, you can have them perfect in every stat
evs are like... idk? they're just training, like going to a gym, and you can have 252 in two stats, then four to go to other stats"

That makes a lot of sense because I can compare them to real world things. Thanks, haha.

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DiamondDragonite is not online. DiamondDragonite
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28 Nov 2014 01:39 PM
smogon is a great place for mega game battling help
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SongofSwords is not online. SongofSwords
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28 Nov 2014 01:55 PM
Would this make a good team?

Raichu
Ludicolo
Sableye
Flygon
Torkoal
Gardevoir

???

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DiamondDragonite is not online. DiamondDragonite
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28 Nov 2014 02:00 PM
@Songofswords

it seems okay, as sableye has definitely become mega game materal since gen 6's mega evolution for him

it seems pretty chill
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SongofSwords is not online. SongofSwords
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28 Nov 2014 02:01 PM
"it seems okay, as sableye has definitely become mega game materal since gen 6's mega evolution for him

it seems pretty chill"

Ok! Yay! I'm going to start trying to make it~

I think that I'll send Sableye out first all of the time because it's immune to lots of attacks, so it will be useful in assessing my opponent's Pokemon. Do you think that's a good idea?

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d4rk652 is not online. d4rk652
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28 Nov 2014 02:01 PM
Honestly I could try to explain it,however I do competitive battling,but sadly I don't have X or Y (Because no one will give me a direct answer on if I should get it or not).So I have to do it on sites like pokemon showdown,which has some stupid bans like banning some megas and moves combined with abilities.
Although sometimes pokemon has it's own kinks and twists on rules of course,but not to many.
If you were planning on testing competitive on pokemon showdown,I'm just warning you that there are a few rules and bans they go by.
But how I can explain the other things of competitive is this.
Full EV's in two stats with 256 like lets say you want a fast sp.attacking raichu,you would put 256 EV's in sp.atatck and 256 EV's in speed,there are 4 EV's left over,so it's honestly left to you what to decide.
IV's are basically extra stats,and if you have a perfect 31 31 31 31 31 31 then that's the best you can get,although if I were to have a copy of Y right now,I wouldn't dream of doing perfect IV breeding because unless you would like an extra 31,you're be sitting there for hours and hours to get some breed team.
Now the items you can use all matter like an air balloon on your magnezone,or an eviolite on your magneton,it all depends which items you use on which pokemon,like lets say you have a ferrothorn,so give it leftovers,or give mum something like a black sludge because their stats are defensive,so you want an extra chance to live,or a choice band for your physical attackers,but it limits them to use only one move but raises that move to 1.5x attack.
Also,your not winning with just attacking moves on every pokemon,I learned that the hard way when I was younger.
There's also predicting the others move,now you might know movesets of a pokemon naturally or from experience like me,but you still have to wonder what they'll pull out.
Like the time I used a raichu and they thought it was stupid,so they hit me with an earthquake and I had a focus sash and then used counter and did a flat KO,then he sent out a different pokemon and I used reversal on it and killed the cloiyster he sent out.
There's also just figuring out how many hits it will take to knock down a pokemon,and if you should switch out or not.
There's also predicting in the switches,make sure your pulling a good switch in or your pokemon might be done for.
There's also abilities,which can go nicely if you have the proper movies and stats for the ability.
Also defensive pokemon are good to have,just remember that.
Also if you have an attacker try to find a colorful move set if you can,you don't have to,but it can work out better in different scenarios.
Also I'm not sure if I'm making it obvious but electors is a good competitive pokemon,very underrated because of the colorful movies,good use of items and the ability it has,can be both offensive and defensive and it doesn't really matter if you have to switch with it or not because it can take the hit.
Also should I mention tiers?Because I will
Tiers come in different shapes and sizes like NU RU UU OU Ubers and PU the newest main one of the group.
The tier order goes from PU,RU,UU,OU,and Ubers.
They go from what pokemon are the most useful and best to use according to the main audience.
So lets say sableye is in UU which means Under Used but it's actually the third highest,so it's hard not to say that they aren't good.
Now you might see your favorite pokemon be in the bottom of the tiers of PU,NU,and you might consider RU low as well.
Like you know,finding out escavalier is on NU sucks,but anyhow.
Tiers are just a general opinion and not something you forcefully have to follow.
Like you can bring a PU pokemon to a UU match,because I do that quite a bit.
It all matters how they're set up in the move set stats and other things though.
Also megas,those are in tiers to,like mega moil somehow got in ubers which stupid but this is just an explanation on things.
Also in case you like lower evoultions,theres LC or Little Cup where you can fight with pre evoulutions like magnemite or trapinch.
And finally the team must have something to bounce off of in the type advantage,in fact the team must be able to hold itself together,if you have one powerful pokemon you can only rely on and it dies,your done for,so they all need to have a purpose on the team.

Oh boy this took like 30 minutes to type down.
Also,song,should I get Y or not,give me a flat answer I did you a fancy and typed all this stuff.
Yes or no.
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SongofSwords is not online. SongofSwords
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28 Nov 2014 02:07 PM
"Oh boy this took like 30 minutes to type down.
Also,song,should I get Y or not,give me a flat answer I did you a fancy and typed all this stuff.
Yes or no."

Thanks, a lot of that makes sense.
And yeah, you should get Y. Why hasn't anyone been answering you directly? It's a fun game and has a lot of cool new features in it that I think you'd enjoy.

Dragons~
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d4rk652 is not online. d4rk652
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28 Nov 2014 02:12 PM
"And yeah, you should get Y. Why hasn't anyone been answering you directly? It's a fun game and has a lot of cool new features in it that I think you'd enjoy. "
Well my friend (Who also has a rob lox account and I'm doing the pokemon OT white nuzlocke with) said yes,but he didn't beat the 3rd gym leader at the time so I was waiting for someone else to beat it and tell me.
Now then shadow97 a couple weeks after said this is probably the worst in the series.
Then reviews said that it was the best in the series.
Then after that,everyone just started to give me vague answers.
So I just wasn't sure,I also had a chance to get Y but I wasn't sure if I should get that or not.
So I got Mr.Bean and fortune street instead,I don't regret it though,mr bean is the most amazing thing ever,
But I missed my chance.
So I didn't want to miss it again,but then the remakes of the 3rd gen came out and everyone is telling me to get it,but I want to know if Y was good.
And no one gave me anything direct so that was hard.
And that's the story.
Thank you so much for giving me a straight answer.
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DiamondDragonite is not online. DiamondDragonite
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28 Nov 2014 02:15 PM
i think you should just get oras lol

and yeah, why not? my knowledge of mega game is rather limited since i never get to test them out (never moved on from gen 5)
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d4rk652 is not online. d4rk652
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28 Nov 2014 02:19 PM
"and yeah, why not? my knowledge of mega game is rather limited since i never get to test them out (never moved on from gen 5)"
You can test them out on pokemon showdown you know?
I mean,it doesn't really give you the same feeling as the actual game,but it's a good place for experimenting things before you try them.
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SongofSwords is not online. SongofSwords
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28 Nov 2014 02:24 PM
"Well my friend (Who also has a rob lox account and I'm doing the pokemon OT white nuzlocke with) said yes,but he didn't beat the 3rd gym leader at the time so I was waiting for someone else to beat it and tell me.
Now then shadow97 a couple weeks after said this is probably the worst in the series.
Then reviews said that it was the best in the series.
Then after that,everyone just started to give me vague answers.
So I just wasn't sure,I also had a chance to get Y but I wasn't sure if I should get that or not.
So I got Mr.Bean and fortune street instead,I don't regret it though,mr bean is the most amazing thing ever,
But I missed my chance.
So I didn't want to miss it again,but then the remakes of the 3rd gen came out and everyone is telling me to get it,but I want to know if Y was good.
And no one gave me anything direct so that was hard.
And that's the story.
Thank you so much for giving me a straight answer."

Hm, well, based on that story I can tell you this:

Storywise, yes, it was the worst. Its story really had a lot less meaning and importance than in the other games. However, the level of customization and freedom of the game is certainly worth the lack of memorable characters and an interesting plot.

If you're looking for a game that has most of the same cool features as X & Y, but with less customization, you should go with Alpha Sapphire. Personally, I'm enjoying Alpha Sapphire much more.

I think ORAS would be a better buy.

Dragons~
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IncanLlama is not online. IncanLlama
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28 Nov 2014 02:25 PM
all it takes is research on Smogon and Pokemon Showdown (they are endorsed by Smogon and follow Smogon rules + tiering system)


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