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MrPhelps is online. MrPhelps
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23 Nov 2014 01:10 PM
Now, yes, I am aware this is WNTS. It is WNTS because it is suggested too often, and the suggesters don't take the time to solve the problems that arise with it. I hope to solve these problems in this thread.

A couple years ago, I joined a game called Runescape. When I joined, I was given a fourteen day free membership. It was great, being able to explore all the features right from sign up. Then....it was gone. I got a taste of membership through that trial, and you know what happened after it ended? I bought membership. Because of that trial, I knew that membership was worth it.

Now, for Roblox. When signing up for the first time, new players hear about BC and see players with it, but don't really know if it is worth purchasing for themselves. With this trial, they may be encouraged to purchase BC as they have tasted it for themselves.

Now, obviously, the trial version should be somewhat different from the full-fledge membership. One problem is that full BC get 10 places, then ex-BC get 5. Some concern is that the BC trial would give players 10 places, and when the trial ends, the system would see them as ex-BC and give them 5 places essentially for free. This can be solved by making the system recognize the trial BC version as different from full-fledged BC. Either it would give 10 places, then reduce it to 1, or give a reduced amount of places such as 2 or 3 and reduce it to 1 when the trial ends. I am in favor of the latter. I will explain why later on.

So, this trial version should include the following:
-More places (refer to above)
-Trading (this may not be used by new players, but it should still be seen as a feature)
-Access to BC only games and gear
-Robux (explained below)
-Clothes creation (I'm up in the air on this one)

I think the trial BC version should include robux. However, not 15 as in the normal BC. Either 10 or 5 robux. If 5, I suggest robux every day, and if 10, every other day. Why? Same reason for reduced places. By watering down the trial version, the trial not only gives those involved a taste of BC, but also looks full BC more tempting, as it invloves even more than the trial.

The trial should last anywhere from 5 to 14 days. I wouldn't go less than 5, but not more than 14.

Now, security issues. You may say this is abusable, which is why precautions must be taken. To get the free BC trial, the users online mailing address must be verified directly after the account is made. Perhaps a notification that appears could say something like:

"Verify mail now for a free BC trial. If you ignore this message, you will no longer have the option to get the trial."

One address can only be used once to get a trial. That way, people attempting to make multiple accounts and abuse the trial will have to make more mail accounts. They could do this, so perhaps this system is not the most efficient. Roblox could attempt to limit trial by using IPs of those who sign, but I'm not sure how all that works.

That's it for now. If I think of anything else, I'll let you know. Feel free to post all kinds of feedback below. Thanks for reading.
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TheCedarRobloxian is not online. TheCedarRobloxian
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23 Nov 2014 01:19 PM
50% support.
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MrPhelps is online. MrPhelps
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23 Nov 2014 01:36 PM
Other thoughts anyone?






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FLChan is online. FLChan
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23 Nov 2014 01:37 PM
WNTS is WNTS, sadly. What is WNTS will always be WNTS.

Either way, I could make a new email, sign up, get trial. New email. New account. Trial. Rinse. Repeat.
Going to bring up IP? Keep deleting cookies and changing IP.
Trial. Trial. Trial.
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MrPhelps is online. MrPhelps
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23 Nov 2014 01:41 PM
@FLChan

I explained my reasoning with the WNTS issue at the very beginning.

As far as your concern with the email cycle, well, you're right. I can't think of another option besides email to enforce the one time rule. Perhaps someone else can.







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FLChan is online. FLChan
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23 Nov 2014 01:41 PM
WNTS is WNTS.
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MrPhelps is online. MrPhelps
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23 Nov 2014 01:43 PM
"WNTS is WNTS."

....for reasons I explained and hopefully fixed.







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FLChan is online. FLChan
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23 Nov 2014 01:45 PM
WNTS is there for a reason. ROBLOX has seen enough of the suggestion, and are likely not going to do it. You do not always get what you want.
Blizzard, for example, introduced a feature in some WoW dungeons where you can get a chance to loot something for your specialization off a boss. They changed it back to rolling for one piece a few days ago. The chance to loot returned after the community complained.
However, a lot of the WoW community complained about an edit to a Warlock talent for level 90. Blizzard said they won't change it.
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MrPhelps is online. MrPhelps
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23 Nov 2014 01:48 PM
"WNTS is there for a reason. ROBLOX has seen enough of the suggestion, and are likely not going to do it."

It's on the WNTS because it is suggested too much, and the suggestions have too many issues that are not solved by the suggesters.

"You do not always get what you want."

I'm glad you have come to that realization.


"Blizzard, for example, introduced a feature in some WoW dungeons where you can get a chance to loot something for your specialization off a boss. They changed it back to rolling for one piece a few days ago. The chance to loot returned after the community complained.
However, a lot of the WoW community complained about an edit to a Warlock talent for level 90. Blizzard said they won't change it."

That's much more similar to the price floor scenarion than this thread.






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MrYouChew is not online. MrYouChew
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23 Nov 2014 02:17 PM
This will never happen.

1. A WNTS is a WNTS. It doesn't matter if you believe that you have found out the secrets to why it is, or how it can work in a new way. I'm sure sally found out how removing guests could be beneficial to roblox, but they will never take it into consideration, because guess what? It's a WNTS.

2. When you join a new game with such a diversity of features, it is highly unlikely that you would use BC to it's fullest extent. At the most, players would probably just go to a BC only game, or buy some stuff with their newly acquired robux, but they won't trade with the items they don't have yet.

3. This is easily abusable, which is why Roblox will never do it. I know you talked about how they could to trial by IP, but roblox does not do IP-based anything because they recognize that multiple people play roblox in one household. As for the whole "Verify emails" thing, it takes 5 minutes to make an email, and about another 2 to verify a roblox email.

As much as everyone likes the idea of BC, and having BC privileges, this is still a WNTS, and could be easily abused.

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zombieslayer9901 is not online. zombieslayer9901
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23 Nov 2014 02:25 PM
It makes it worse to point it out "i know dis is wnts."
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SupahBoshi64 is not online. SupahBoshi64
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23 Nov 2014 02:35 PM
I don't even get why'd you need a trial for something like BC.
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MrPhelps is online. MrPhelps
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23 Nov 2014 02:51 PM
"1. WNTS is a WNTS. It doesn't matter if you believe that you have found out the secrets to why it is, or how it can work in a new way. I'm sure sally found out how removing guests could be beneficial to roblox, but they will never take it into consideration, because guess what? It's a WNTS."

That issue lies in the question of why it is WNTS. Is it WNTS purely because it is suggested too often, or because it has too many problem that come with it? The next question is are those problems solveable?

"2. When you join a new game with such a diversity of features, it is highly unlikely that you would use BC to it's fullest extent. At the most, players would probably just go to a BC only game, or buy some stuff with their newly acquired robux, but they won't trade with the items they don't have yet."

I pointed that out.

"3. This is easily abusable, which is why Roblox will never do it. I know you talked about how they could to trial by IP, but roblox does not do IP-based anything because they recognize that multiple people play roblox in one household. As for the whole "Verify emails" thing, it takes 5 minutes to make an email, and about another 2 to verify a roblox email."

Yes, it is abusable to an extent and I can't really think of a way to stop it via email or other things. So, let's do something else. Rather than find a security feature, let's reduce the allure of abuse. This would be abused primarily by people who have no other souce of income (NBCs, Non-developer/clothes maker BC users) other than paid access. This lies in the robux amounts. If the total robux gotten during the trial amounted to less than 25 (the minimum for paid access), then it cannot be abused, even with multiple accounts.

'It makes it worse to point it out "i know dis is wnts."'

No it doesn't. It does however make you look a little silly to paraphrase my statement using improper grammar purposefully.






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Tenako is online. Tenako
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23 Nov 2014 02:53 PM
"-Access to BC only games and gear"

No pls, I can't handle people who just got BC. (Yes i couldn't handle myself)
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23 Nov 2014 02:54 PM
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MrYouChew is not online. MrYouChew
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23 Nov 2014 02:55 PM
Phelp, stop trying with the WNTS. They say that because it's suggested too often. If you truly think otherwise, then email the person who made the WNTS and ask them. Otherwise, it's a WNTS and you should not suggest it.

"Yes, it is abusable to an extent and I can't really think of a way to stop it via email or other things. So, let's do something else. Rather than find a security feature, let's reduce the allure of abuse. This would be abused primarily by people who have no other souce of income (NBCs, Non-developer/clothes maker BC users) other than paid access. This lies in the robux amounts. If the total robux gotten during the trial amounted to less than 25 (the minimum for paid access), then it cannot be abused, even with multiple accounts."

Abuse is still abuse, regardless of if you made it 5 robux a day or 1 robux a day. All I have to do is make a game, set it to 25 tix for entry, and start making some income. Mainly, roblox will not do it because:

• FREE ROBUX FOR EVERYONE!!! (This includes raffles, contests, lotteries, giveaways, scavenger hunts for tix, etc.)

• More rights for NBC/fewer privileges for BC. (This includes "more/less tix or robux", "more/fewer places", etc.)

• Create new kinds of BC/give everyone a free BC trial.

Regardless of your opinion, it's a WNTS. That means they won't consider it. End of story.

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MrPhelps is online. MrPhelps
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23 Nov 2014 03:13 PM
"Phelp, stop trying with the WNTS. They say that because it's suggested too often. If you truly think otherwise, then email the person who made the WNTS and ask them. Otherwise, it's a WNTS and you should not suggest it."

My point is valid. It is WNTS for solveable reasons. I'll stop with it as soon as you do, Chew.

"Abuse is still abuse, regardless of if you made it 5 robux a day or 1 robux a day. All I have to do is make a game, set it to 25 tix for entry, and start making some income."

You realize that you cannot set a place to 25 tix, right? Don't talk if you don't know what you are talking about.

"Regardless of your opinion, it's a WNTS. That means they won't consider it. End of story."

Actually, no it doesn't. It means they are aware of the interest and don't want suggestions riddled with problems. It's only the end of the story for the argument at this point. I am not going to continue arguing about this as we are both clearly to set in our paths to change our minds.





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