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Re: what's the point in combining 4 entertainment forums?

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deathrange07 is not online. deathrange07
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14 Nov 2014 06:20 PM
forewarning: this is fairly long and i go over several reasons that i read from the thread by NobleDragon. some of these points crossover with each other and you will probably see the same reasoning repeated several times. this is specifically aimed at the mods and i really hope they take the time to read this and respond.

as an SFer, i'm very much against the combining, not just because of being an SFer but because it will ruin the entertainment section as a whole.

MODERATION:

if you can't moderate the 4 specific forums you should just give up hope of moderating the forums in the first place. none of the four are very (as far as i know, idk the size of VGF) large communities, especially w/ MT and MBTV. SF is around 40ish people, with 30 being active.

this will just make moderation harder because there are these specific topics combined into one subforum, as well as constant flame wars and attacks. the communities in SF, MT, and VGF are all generally hostile and neither really have a liking towards each other (especially VGF and SF for many reasons).

COMMUNITY:

the entertainment forums will literally end up becoming a total, utter mess. flame wars will be constant, and even if you have extremely tight moderation it won't stop. people will just come on alts and continue to cause flame wars. ip bans are extremely ineffective, as are poison bans and literally any other type of ban. thus, you're not going to stop the flame wars with moderation.

in the end most of the communities will probably create their own personal forums on different sites and thus leave behind a near-deserted subforum. at best, it will become a very small community consisting only of the few of the group who are willing to set aside differences and/or aren't willing to constantly attack others (like that's going to happen).

NO LONGER USED AS INTENDED:

MT is still used as intended, although ro-rappers are stupid as hell and there are a lot of arguments over what genre is better, or what band is better. this is because of lack of moderation here and the only one to blame is yourself, roblox.

SF is around 30 active members who post about a variety of things, from ro-sports to real sports to non-sports things. the SF is still used as intended with some off-topic stuff. this, just like MT, is because of a lack of moderation and the only one to blame is yourself, roblox.

VGF is still used as intended. there are plenty of video game posts. although the community flames those who post about certain games (COD, sports games, etc.). there are a few non-related things, but not as many as the SF.

i just checked MBTV and it looks like it's mostly on-topic. i'm not entirely sure if they have a community but i would not be surprised if they had a minor one.

so, according to my checks all four entertainment forums are still used as intended and have absolutely no need to combine for this reason.

CREATE SMALL, SEPARATED COMMUNITIES:

SF has one.
MT has one.
VGF has a larger one, but it is still a separated community.
MBTV probably has a small community that is also separated.

combining them will create flame wars, and force four separated communities to combine to create one large community. of course, assuming that everyone in the communities of these four forums don't leave in the first place, the few remaining people will create a small community so i guess you have that for you?

MORE CONTROLLABLE:

as i said in the moderation section, you'll just cause alts to flood onto the forum. ip bans won't work, poison bans won't work, nothing will stop forumers from flaming each other. this will remove the little control you have over the four forums until the vast majority of the communities members leave the roblox forums and join other community members elsewhere.

BRING COMMUNITY CLOSER TOGETHER:

no it will not, as i have said several times it will cause the communities to become even more aggressive towards each other. you will basically be forcing four wild animals into a small box, where they feel like cornered animals. not a great analogy, but the point is you will make the forum communities constantly attack each other, when your plan is to bring them together. it's like putting potassium into water and expecting it to not explode, it does the exact opposite of what you expect.

NOT A LOT OF INTERACTION:

i'm not ensure entirely what they mean. if they mean the people in the communities don't go to other subforums (to avoid being flamed out and having a counterattack), then why would you force these communities together? well done, roblox. your logic is literally too stupid to comprehend.

if you mean the forum is inactive, then just remove it, although any of the four entertainment forums topics would probably be attacked on OT, where these posts would most likely go to instead.

OTHER PROBLEMS:

1) as mariokartaddict (a fellow sports forumer and a friend of mine) has posted, this will prevent individualized discussion. not just because of the flame wars, although those will cause problems. let's look at an example:

a thread about the NFL (National Football League) is posted. people start talking about madden (the NFL video game). then people start talking about the music playlist in madden. then people talk about a book by an NFLer, or a documentary of an NFLer or the NFL, or a tv show related to football. although this may be on-topic, it is not on topic to the original idea of the thread to talk about the NFL itself, and not things related to it. this can also happen in any other order and can be done with most sports.

how this will be overcome?

2) spamming. when a big thing happens in sports, the sports forum goes into a frenzy and can have multiple pages of the exact same topic. for example, when mario gotze scored the world cup winning goal in added time for Germany, there were multiple pages of threads titled "MARIO GOTZE", or "GOAL", or "GERMANY!!", etc. all of this was related to a few seconds of a sport match.

there is also the constant ro-rap stuff, the flame wars of what music genre is better, what TV show is better, as well as a probably consistent stream of video game related things. assuming there are absolutely no problems with the forum communities merging, threads will be kicked out of the first page very fast. thus, there will probably be multiple posts about the same thing in a single day, such as a DLC release, or a game release, or an album release, or an episode on a TV show, or a big sports game, or a big sports trade, and so many other things.

how will this be overcome?

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with all of these problems, why waste your time trying to fix a system that does not need fixing? you'll just end up breaking something that works, instead of fixing it like you were meaning to.

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14 Nov 2014 06:25 PM
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deathrange07 is not online. deathrange07
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14 Nov 2014 06:26 PM
tbh i won't be surprised if roblox deletes this lol

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14 Nov 2014 06:27 PM
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14 Nov 2014 06:30 PM
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deathrange07 is not online. deathrange07
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14 Nov 2014 06:30 PM
bump

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Roseart2 is not online. Roseart2
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14 Nov 2014 06:31 PM
What will happen at one time:
"I just came back from the Katnip Everdeen movie guys!"
"HESKEY JUST MADE HIS FIRST GOAL EVER UMG"
"So, how's the new Elder Scroll's game?"
"erm. Diary of a Wimpy Kid came out again."

#thicke #sw4g #blurredlines
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Whimzee is not online. Whimzee
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14 Nov 2014 06:32 PM
hey

nobody actually cares
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14 Nov 2014 06:34 PM
@ Whimzee

That was a very stupid thing to say. If you don't contribute to the topic, just don't post.
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deathrange07 is not online. deathrange07
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14 Nov 2014 06:34 PM
i'm pretty sure the entirety of the SF, VGF, MT, and MBTV is not "nobody"

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zepher32 is not online. zepher32
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14 Nov 2014 06:35 PM
"hey

nobody actually cares"

hey

people actually care
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Whimzee is not online. Whimzee
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14 Nov 2014 06:36 PM
oh no guys i'm in the <%1 of the roblox community and i am OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

why should they care about you, really? you can cry and whine all you want but it's not getting changed back. hope the forums get deleted some day.
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padam11 is not online. padam11
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14 Nov 2014 06:38 PM
i support this. first time i have ever been against roblox. let this be seen.

"Counting is paramount."
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Naruto9200 is not online. Naruto9200
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14 Nov 2014 06:39 PM
Just go to Reddit.
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xil72 is not online. xil72
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14 Nov 2014 06:40 PM
only good thing is that it would stomp out ro-rap roleplay that shouldn't be in MT
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deathrange07 is not online. deathrange07
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14 Nov 2014 06:57 PM
@whim
i'm not crying and whining if you could actually read my post, i am making constructive, logical arguments. if i was crying and whining i would have posted at most a few sentences.

and the entirety of the forums communities combined is also <1% of the roblox community, so what does that have to do with anything?

also, my post is basically repeating what nearly everyone against the change has said into one thread. it's not just my opinion. it is not made to represent me, it's made to represent the entire group of people against a needless change that will end up causing much more damage and do the exact opposite of what it was intended to do.

keep in mind i'm not against the entirety of the merging, game designs and game marketing merges are much more logical and has much more positives than negatives.

@xil
i really don't think it would, ro-rappers would still come, although probably in lesser numbers (they might go to OT and RP), but they still would.

even so, that is one very minor positive out of many very significant negatives. it would destroy the culture of the 4 forums and just cause a lot of problems.

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also, another argument against this:

none of the four combined entertainment forums are closely related to each other.

maybe MT and MBTV are loosely related, but that is the closest and is not that big of a connection and doesn't nearly cover the two topics. VGF and SF have one extremely small relation in sports video games, but they are as a whole hated by VGFers. the SF has a very small relation to MBTV in sports documentaries and television-related things on TV, as well as sports books and movies, but that is very small and i never see that talked about on the SF past maybe 1 thread about a TV deal for a league, or a sports-specific channel. that's it. VGF has no relation to MBTV except video games based off of movies, books, and tv shows (very few and extremely rare), and MT and VGF have only soundtracks in video games as a relation, same with the SF and MT (sport video game soundtracks)

all these small, nearly non-existent relations with each other don't make it big enough to use as reasoning to combine these forums together. the only one that even nears logical sense is MT and MBTV, but even so it wouldn't really work out.

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14 Nov 2014 07:04 PM
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Naruto9200 is not online. Naruto9200
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14 Nov 2014 07:05 PM
They should have removed all the offtopic forums from ROBLOX.I mean what is the point of having forums that have nothing to do with ROBLOX on ROBLOX?
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deathrange07 is not online. deathrange07
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14 Nov 2014 07:07 PM
@naruto
because not everyone wants to talk about roblox on roblox...?

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Saaaren is not online. Saaaren
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14 Nov 2014 07:09 PM
I support this.
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14 Nov 2014 07:15 PM
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Whimzee is not online. Whimzee
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14 Nov 2014 07:16 PM
stop bumping your post. what makes yours more important than everyone else's?

you don't deserve a bump. it breaks the purpose of a forum.
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deathrange07 is not online. deathrange07
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14 Nov 2014 07:25 PM
1) do you expect me to actually listen to what you say?
2) i believe it is more important than the other posts >about this subject< because it covers what every other post about the topic says.

i am bumping it so others have an opportunity to read it and either post constructive criticism (something you are clearly unable to do), add to what i said, or agree with what i said.

also, how does it break the purpose of a forum? and who are you to say this does not deserve a bump?

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14 Nov 2014 07:34 PM
And there's RP
Just sitting on the side-lines
Watching...
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