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Re: the problems with ot spinoffs

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DragonOfTime is not online. DragonOfTime
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14 Nov 2014 10:05 PM
1. nobody or at least very, VERY few people here actually know how to run a website AND can pay for hosting so for most of us the only option is to use a free forum host which can end up being full of security issues etc.

2. when people make rules they're either way too strict and it ends up being worse than the current site or way too lenient and it just ends up being entirely trashposting, arguments and links to shock sites

3. a lot of people take moderation as a privilege rather than a responsibility and this ends up tieing in with point 2 and this isn't helped by the fact that i've never actually seen anyone hire moderators in any way other than through nepotism or just saying 'first 3 posters get to be mods

4. nobody on this site is civil enough to actually agree on one site because they don't like the owner or one of the mods or whatever and so they make their own site and run both sites into the ground

5. i've never seen anyone say 'i'm making an ot spinoff' and NOT release it within 48 hours which says a lot about the amount of thought and development which actually goes into these things

in conclusion if you're thinking 'hey i should make an ot spinoff' and you're not willing to put any actual effort into it then punch yourself in the face repeatedly until that thought is completely dead and gone because the last thing OT needs is another one of the stupid things
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ShredasaurusRex is not online. ShredasaurusRex
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14 Nov 2014 10:06 PM
You could have just said they suck and saved yourself all that trouble
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d4rk652 is not online. d4rk652
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14 Nov 2014 10:06 PM
You slapped the words out of my mouth.
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megaronaldinho is not online. megaronaldinho
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14 Nov 2014 10:07 PM
Too much writing.
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DragonOfTime is not online. DragonOfTime
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14 Nov 2014 10:07 PM
'You could have just said they suck and saved yourself all that trouble'

or, get this, i could instead NOT trashpost
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DragonOfTime is not online. DragonOfTime
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14 Nov 2014 10:11 PM
'Too much writing.'

thanks for the entirely necessary post
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ShredasaurusRex is not online. ShredasaurusRex
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14 Nov 2014 10:11 PM
Oof

What a blow
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lVlORIS is not online. lVlORIS
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14 Nov 2014 10:12 PM
This
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giroom is not online. giroom
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14 Nov 2014 10:14 PM
i think another problem is that you're basically creating an environment like ot but with less posts, it's just slow and boring. also if you just have two or three core members that may as well just chat it's bound to collapse
i've only seen one success to date and even then it's got barely any activity now
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TheChangerDB is not online. TheChangerDB
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14 Nov 2014 10:14 PM
You show em!

"WRONG LEVERRRRRRR!!!"
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DragonOfTime is not online. DragonOfTime
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14 Nov 2014 10:20 PM
'i think another problem is that you're basically creating an environment like ot but with less posts, it's just slow and boring. also if you just have two or three core members that may as well just chat it's bound to collapse
i've only seen one success to date and even then it's got barely any activity now'

that sorta ties in with point number 4

even if you're 'popular' there'll be a significant proportion of OT that'll just say 'no, they did something stupid at one point, i don't trust them' so
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giroom is not online. giroom
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14 Nov 2014 10:31 PM
even if there's a significant portion that says no, you'll still have lots of people who will flock there

what I want to say is, it's easy to get people to join, but nearly impossible for people to stay
what happens if you get a large group of shy, introverted people who respond rather than create? you get a very short lived forum
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drakeh is not online. drakeh
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14 Nov 2014 10:33 PM
otbathhouse was cool it was run by a cool oter who i'm kinda "close" with. it was also invation based so it was a pretty good group of people. then uglyfirewizard closed it. rip. i joined another big ot spinoff but never ended up posing on it
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lVlORIS is not online. lVlORIS
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14 Nov 2014 10:39 PM
Often the problem with them for me is how bloated they are, with users who hardly ever post or just made an account so they could say how crappy the website was and leave without even giving it a chance. What would fix that is having join requests and people provide their identity, so you don't have a bunch of random unwanteds joining the website.

Also, many of them are clunky and uncomfortable to use. That's one of the greatest things about Roblox forums; they're simple to use and attractive. You'd need a fun forum with plenty to do to keep people using it.
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megaronaldinho is not online. megaronaldinho
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15 Nov 2014 12:37 AM
np
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JacquesMaritain is not online. JacquesMaritain
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15 Nov 2014 12:40 AM
lol that's why you stick to forums made by oaky or someone like that cause they know what they're doing and it's pretty active
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JacquesMaritain is not online. JacquesMaritain
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15 Nov 2014 12:41 AM
"i've never actually seen anyone hire moderators in any way other than through nepotism or just saying 'first 3 posters get to be mods"

no one ever does this
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JacquesMaritain is not online. JacquesMaritain
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15 Nov 2014 12:43 AM
btw no one is too strict on the rules just don't be a dork and you can stay
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JacquesMaritain is not online. JacquesMaritain
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15 Nov 2014 12:47 AM
"i've only seen one success to date and even then it's got barely any activity now"

OTTD had 1 1/2 years of activity
totl had a few months
otb had 6 months worth iirc
otxtest is successful
otr was successful
otbh was successful for the time being
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giroom is not online. giroom
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15 Nov 2014 12:55 AM
'OTTD had 1 1/2 years of activity
totl had a few months
otb had 6 months worth iirc
otxtest is successful
otr was successful
otbh was successful for the time being'

okay, by success, I kinda meant up for at least a year
I didn't even know OTTD existed, I guess I'm really behind the times
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JacquesMaritain is not online. JacquesMaritain
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15 Nov 2014 12:56 AM
yea OTTD had the chance of living forever but amsk8r turned to communism and destroyed it
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megaronaldinho is not online. megaronaldinho
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15 Nov 2014 10:13 AM
otb had 6 months worth iirc
otxtest is successful
otr was successful
otbh was successful for the time being'
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