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Re: Why Merging the Forums is Bad #FIXED

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anthonycotto is not online. anthonycotto
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14 Nov 2014 11:49 PM
(Fixed this due to numeral spelling and wording mistakes.)

Now, we all know that recently the Dev's are planning on merging specific subforums with each other.
Some people may think this is a new start for something good, but in reality its a recipe for something thin and chaotic.

Some people, I don't think that they should, characterize each subforum as 'countries' even though they are not. But seeing how communities react and behave I can assume why people actually refer to the subforums as countries.

First, the major subforums, ATR, OT, RT and LMaD have obviously had conflict between each community. A lot trolls or genuine players who ''raid'' other forums are obviously the first worry. What will happen when the forums they merge? The most appropriate question would be conflict. Flamewars everywhere. But that is just the tip of the ice berg.

Not everyone is meant for each other, and some people prefer others specifically, and usually they do this with a subforums community that matches their personalities that corresponds to their own personality. Social behavior. But merging the subforums would only create chaos because of this, a lot of hate will suddenly disperse in the single merged subforum.

Now these are some of the problems, but in a nutshell, here's what to expect by theory.

-Conflict
-Flamewars
-Spam
-Useless or thoughtless threads
-Trolls
-Raiders

This is exactly what happened to old RT when it was the most popular subforum.
Virtually, this would turn the new merged subforum into RT 2#.

But dispite this, each subforum has a purpose and diversity. They have their own specialization for communities.
This will end quite badly.
I'm not trying to say that the subforums are countries, and not implying it. I'm using it as a example and the way people behave in each community, as each subforum has a different corresponding personality.

Take this into example before making yet...another mistake.
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Radiobyte is not online. Radiobyte
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14 Nov 2014 11:51 PM
Not ROBLOX's problem to deal with immaturity on the end of the forum users. Subforums were never designed to have their own little communities inside of them, and at the end of the day removing a lot of useless subforums by making more generalized ones is a better idea for site cleanup.

tl;dr Solution: People need to grow up and deal with it.
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anthonycotto is not online. anthonycotto
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14 Nov 2014 11:52 PM
Thing is, this site is filled with immature people. Like I said, this wouldn't fix anything because the players won't change.
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Hotelowner is not online. Hotelowner
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14 Nov 2014 11:53 PM
The source of immaturity is at SUPER-SERIOUS-FACE from OTers and Support. Get these guys a bar of Snickers each, they'll need it if they want to smile one day.
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anthonycotto is not online. anthonycotto
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14 Nov 2014 11:54 PM
Yeah, but that is where the source of the problem is.
Immature people mixing into other subforums communities is the problem, and ROBLOX has not made any plan for this.
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XcRaZeD is not online. XcRaZeD
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14 Nov 2014 11:55 PM
The point is @"that guy who posted first" is irregardless of what was intended they did form a community

Like I said previously

imagine europe being forced to follow american ideals

It doesn't make them immature for not wanting to unite

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anthonycotto is not online. anthonycotto
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14 Nov 2014 11:55 PM
The subforums is what keep peace and the immature and the mature at bay. But also consider that OT and LMaD and ATR have important specializations and the result of mixing those three won't go so swell.
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SethDusek5 is not online. SethDusek5
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14 Nov 2014 11:56 PM
NO DONT MERGE THE SCRIPTERS FORUM

ITS INACTIVE BUT I LOVE IT
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Radiobyte is not online. Radiobyte
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14 Nov 2014 11:57 PM
That's not a fair comparison at all. In fact it's really quite simplified for no reason.

Europe and the US are countries, with 2 different cultures, governments and ways of living. We're talking about subforums being merged into more general communities. People in OT don't live a different life than people in let's say... RT.

How we react isn't ROBLOX's problem, and it shouldn't be. People should be mature enough to realize that we're all humans and just because we prefer one subforum over another doesn't make us any different people.
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cavedog962 is not online. cavedog962
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14 Nov 2014 11:59 PM
Nothing you have just said matters, until you can do something with it.

"What's that?" I hear you ask. "This doesn't matter?!?"

How can all of that not matter?

All you are doing is taking the update, putting it though a shredder, looking at all the pieces, and saying "This is worthless."

No matter how well you rip an update apart, no matter how many different shreds you can make of an argument, no matter how many things you prove to be bad, if you haven't turned the update into something more beneficial or if you haven't recycled the old execution into a new one then you've failed.
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Radiobyte is not online. Radiobyte
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15 Nov 2014 12:01 AM
@cavedog

Try and look at this from a different viewpoint.

It's really just a merging of a few forum topics. They're not asking us to change of lifelong beliefs here. This update DOES improve on something, from their end. The forums will become cleaned up, merging of subforums will allow for more active communities instead of having multiple dead subforums everywhere and overall it'll be an improvement in time. People just seem to have hard times getting over new updates, and that'll be the biggest problem at first. Does anyone remember outlines? Yeah.
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TrollerBuilder is not online. TrollerBuilder
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15 Nov 2014 12:03 AM
"-Trolls"

Don't even.
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cavedog962 is not online. cavedog962
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15 Nov 2014 12:04 AM
My post was in reference to the OP, not you Radio.

I understand your points, these are the concepts of the update. The execution is what is flawed.

Let me begin by saying that all updates are designed with two core elements: the concept and the execution. These are the two most fundamental terms you must to take away from this if nothing else.

The concept is an idea that the update wants to accomplish or achieve. It is what the update is intended to do. The execution is how the update is implemented or carried out. All updates are the executions of concepts.

There is no such thing as a bad concept, only a bad execution. The point of an update is to change something for the better and regardless of how it seems, all updates are based off of good concepts.

Restating the concepts doesn't do anything to prove that these concepts will actually be achieved nor will dissecting the execution without instituting a new or better form of execution.
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Radiobyte is not online. Radiobyte
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15 Nov 2014 12:05 AM
@Troller

(I'm agreeing with you, so don't get the wrong idea.)

Trolls will pretty much exist no matter how many subforums you have. There were plenty in Scripters, considering it was a dead subforum. There are even more in ATR. Trolls are everywhere, and that's not going to change anytime soon.
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Radiobyte is not online. Radiobyte
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15 Nov 2014 12:07 AM
@cave

Oh, okay. My bad.

But I half agree with you. It's king of like shoving jocks and nerds in a room and expecting them to get along and become buddies. A lot of them won't.

However, I think if ROBLOX really wants to appeal to a more mature community, it's better to stop holding our hand and let us figure things out ourselves. We all have to grow up eventually, and once people do they realize how silly the concept of alienating people from different subforums really is.
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Naruto9200 is not online. Naruto9200
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15 Nov 2014 12:20 AM
"Now these are some of the problems, but in a nutshell, here's what to expect by theory.

-Conflict
-Flamewars
-Spam
-Useless or thoughtless threads
-Trolls
-Raiders"


>Implying this never happened before they merge the forums.
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Zammy67rocks5 is not online. Zammy67rocks5
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15 Nov 2014 12:23 AM
"useless subforums"

The SF, VGF, and MT are not useless subforums.
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XcRaZeD is not online. XcRaZeD
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15 Nov 2014 12:24 AM
I see where you are coming from radio but i'm sad to say I think you are putting a bit to much faith in our generation. This is the internet, in real life (like the nerd a jock example) people would have to accept it, on the internet however people can be unnaturally cruel because there is no direct consequence

There really is nothing to push them towards maturity, just giving them a reason to complain

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Naruto9200 is not online. Naruto9200
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15 Nov 2014 12:24 AM
^ They are forums that have no connection to ROBLOX what so ever.
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cavedog962 is not online. cavedog962
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15 Nov 2014 12:25 AM
@Radio,

I'm somewhat baffled by what you say. (Don't take that the wrong way, it is a good thing)

I've hardly had the chance to talk to people of such a nature on Roblox. People who are the epitome of enlightened discussion.

Typically I see more dim witted and narrow minded individuals stalking the forums but very few like yourself. The Forums should contain more intelligent and refined individuals. The community would benefit if people chose to write more intelligent and thought out replies.
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Naruto9200 is not online. Naruto9200
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15 Nov 2014 12:25 AM
Meant that post at Zammy.
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Zammy67rocks5 is not online. Zammy67rocks5
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15 Nov 2014 12:28 AM
"^ They are forums that have no connection to ROBLOX what so ever."

The vast majority of forums outside of ROBLOX have boards not connected to the main topic of the board as well.
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GotMilkshake is not online. GotMilkshake
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15 Nov 2014 12:30 AM
Well I'll be damned.
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Radiobyte is not online. Radiobyte
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15 Nov 2014 12:31 AM
(I'll have to knock out both of these replies at once)

@XcR

That's absolutely true. I don't put faith into the forums at all, which is why I don't post here much at all anymore. A lot of the people on here in my opinion are just teenagers who think they're being funny with their 3 word replies. That's irrelevant though.

ROBLOX wants to move on to a mature, developer player base. I think this is one of those "this is going to be ugly, but it'll help in the long run" things. People will eventually get used to it, and mature in the process. Those who don't like it will leave, as they tend to do. It shouldn't be a huge problem, I still expect to see spam and whatnot as usual.

@cavedog

You're right, it's really hard to find those kinds of people online. Between the teenagers commonly found in subforums like ATR, that still have a lot of maturing to do and egotistical, slightly older teenagers who think they've got it all figured out in places like Scripters, it's really hard to find people who are willing to take a step back, and analyze the situation. I think in the end, as I said above - it's going to get worse before it gets better. I personally am fine if the forums go into riot mode for a week or two, it's the same thing as they did with a lot of the other updates. We all get used to it and mature in the process. It's just an ugly step in a staircase leading to a beautiful ending.
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Naruto9200 is not online. Naruto9200
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15 Nov 2014 12:34 AM
"The vast majority of forums outside of ROBLOX have boards not connected to the main topic of the board as well."

Name some.
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