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Re: Why the Clan World cannot improve...yet.

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Preadeator123 is not online. Preadeator123
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18 Oct 2014 09:21 PM
Tl;dr: At least read the two sentences below and then see if you want to be ignorant or not. This isn't really a rant or whatever, it's just...a thought. A possible discussion. There will be people who care and read it through, so if you don't, that's okay.

Before we start,

THIS. IS. NOT. ANOTHER. "OMG THE CLAN WORLD IS DETERIORATING HERE ARE TWO STEPS TO HOW TO FIX IT." THREAD.

This thread, is actually to talk about WHY those threads aren't working.

So you know how every once in a while, someone comes onto C&G and posts a thread on the clan world dying and whatnot? And how it usually dies or gets negative feedback?

Well, here's the simple answer.

No, it isn't because the methods won't work.

No, it isn't because the community is just and has been ignorant of almost anything helpful to their community and stay as sadistic as they can.

It's because the poster isn't influential.

Now, what do I mean by influential? There are many ways people view this definition, but in this case, I would say that influential means someone who has followers in the clan world. Someone who has a lot of attention directed upon them. Basically, someone respected enough so that others will listen to them.

Pretty much all of the posters of the "clan world is dying here's a fix" threads are not popular or very little known. Leading to what C&G does best to newcomers or disliked forumers: negative feedback and ignorance.

But let's say Pragmatist posts a thread that has an interesting topic. In about 5-10 minutes the thread will have almost three pages. Pragmatist is an example of an influential person in the clan community.

So imagine: What if Pragmatist, or any other influential clan leader or member, makes a thread about how we can improve the clan world?

Not everyone will listen, but there will still be more than if the poster WASN'T influential. The thread will also have a good chance of reaching several pages or a lot, people would track it, people will bump it over time, etc.

If we had influential members of the community post things like this, just imagine the changes we can have. It obviously won't be major. We won't be able to change C&G's attitude or behavior alot, but we can make minor changes. Such as, setting an example for leading a good group. Encouraging more positive threads, threads that are based upon constructive criticism and friendly debates on a serious topic.

This is only a possibility. I encourage any serious leader with some influence in the community to read through and consider this. Like I said, people like me who don't have a lot of popularity with influence won't get many to listen. So it's up you to take this into action.

And now...discuss.
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solticex is not online. solticex
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18 Oct 2014 09:24 PM
Do you qualify as influential as well..?

=DEMISE=
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Preadeator123 is not online. Preadeator123
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18 Oct 2014 09:26 PM
Me?

Ha! As if half of C&G even respect me.

Yes, there are those who regard me as a serious and mature poster on the forums, but I still lack influence. At least, I don't have enough to ask for a serious change. This thread is just a proposition to clan leaders, not really a thing asking the whole community for an action.
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steamsport is not online. steamsport
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18 Oct 2014 09:26 PM
no he's an old ex-ussf major not a really good one at that.

The Witch King of C&G has graced you with his presence
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Preadeator123 is not online. Preadeator123
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18 Oct 2014 09:27 PM
I know some people thought I was in USSF

I

WAS

NEVER

IN

IT.

It was another guy called Predator or something
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solticex is not online. solticex
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18 Oct 2014 09:28 PM
Thing is, it is sort of ironic that you are not considered influential, yet you speak of it... I don't know if you understand what I mean, but I just see it has sort of ironic.

=DEMISE=
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ReaperKin is not online. ReaperKin
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18 Oct 2014 09:29 PM
stop acting like you know how to fix everything because you dont, so shut up and let c&G be itself
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Pen54321 is not online. Pen54321
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18 Oct 2014 09:30 PM
OR you can just treat the newbies with respect and not talk about how many forum post you made in Roblox.
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Preadeator123 is not online. Preadeator123
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18 Oct 2014 09:30 PM
Fix everything?

No, no, no.

I don't intend to fix anything at all. I propose that influential clan leaders do that.

And yes solti, I understand completely why you'd say that.
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steamsport is not online. steamsport
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18 Oct 2014 09:31 PM
liar

The Witch King of C&G has graced you with his presence
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KILGO65 is not online. KILGO65
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18 Oct 2014 09:32 PM
Have you every read rodgerdodger's essay on "Determinism" in clans?

It's an excellent treatise written by someone who does have a great amount of influence on this community.

Plenty of influential people have outlined ideas on how to improve the clan world...

SunTzu, rodger, Meowmixxed, Liss, even myself, albeit not comprehensively or publicly.

The only issue arises when there aren't many people that actually take action on these ideas, especially in this community.

Here is a link to the essay:

http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=126877858
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Preadeator123 is not online. Preadeator123
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18 Oct 2014 09:32 PM
I'm not even kidding Steam

Their base is horrible to raid at with their crappy GUI and guns
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lordshadow4 is not online. lordshadow4
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18 Oct 2014 09:33 PM
Way too optimistic to work. There is only one solid way I can think of to improve it. Require all people in the Clan World to be 14+, which is impossible. Just make the best of what we have.

~I lead 11 year olds into battle on a regular basis~
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Preadeator123 is not online. Preadeator123
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18 Oct 2014 09:34 PM
Thanks KIL.
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KILGO65 is not online. KILGO65
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18 Oct 2014 09:37 PM
You're welcome.

It's always refreshing to see someone who cares about improving the community.
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Preadeator123 is not online. Preadeator123
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18 Oct 2014 09:44 PM
Too optimistic? Explain
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Preadeator123 is not online. Preadeator123
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18 Oct 2014 09:50 PM
I actually want Rodger to see this
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Preadeator123 is not online. Preadeator123
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18 Oct 2014 10:00 PM
Bumper.
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Preadeator123 is not online. Preadeator123
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18 Oct 2014 10:16 PM
b2
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Preadeator123 is not online. Preadeator123
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19 Oct 2014 12:46 PM
Another day...
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SeleucusIII is not online. SeleucusIII
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19 Oct 2014 12:51 PM
pretty good

but 1 problem

clan world cant improve
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LiberatorEvan is not online. LiberatorEvan
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19 Oct 2014 12:56 PM
You also miss the point of this that every C&Ger misses:
C&G does not control the clan world.

Although hundreds of clanners do patrol the forums, only a very few actually come to this sub-section anymore. I have actually see more clanners in RT, OT, SH, and LMaD then in C&G because of the god-awful arrogant community that rewards the corrupt and beats up the weak.

The clan community wont be fixed for a few more generations because the clan community isn't actually broken. It's just full of idiots who believe they know what they're doing.

Wanna Know About My Life? Scroll Down, Some Low-Life Will Attempt To Gain Attention Bringing Up Irrelevant/False Points About it. - Cubyfan2 & Cubyfan22 | Add 23,481 Posts
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steamsport is not online. steamsport
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19 Oct 2014 01:08 PM
Which one are you evan?

The Witch King of C&G has graced you with his presence
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Preadeator123 is not online. Preadeator123
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19 Oct 2014 02:52 PM
The point of this thread was to present an idea.

I never said the idea would work;

I never said I wanted change or force change upon people;

All I asked was for people to discuss an idea. A possibility.
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shawny3051 is not online. shawny3051
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19 Oct 2014 02:55 PM
The clan world will not improve because of those idiots at ROBLOX HQ who supports children
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