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Re: Here's some advice to all Leaders.

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ScorviusValrath is not online. ScorviusValrath
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15 Oct 2014 05:41 PM
Stop with the ego.
Stop with the pride.

1. It makes you a careless leader. Someone who brags constantly about their clan, and does stupid things is not benefiting their clan, nor are they taking into consideration their members.

2. This is a game. Calm yourselves. I love to roleplay, but in real life, leaders don't say "HAHAHAHAHAH YOU KICKED US, THEREFORE WE WIN" and then end up ending a war over that. Ruins the game.

There is only ONE reason the clan community is so bad now a days, and that is the pride of some leaders. Over time, I've been a leader myself, I've had the pride of a giant, and it caused every damn mistake I ever made, period. I've observed leaders like ISOLAYTOR, Pragmatic, etc. turn into these monsters over power. Honestly, Pragmatic is a great guy when he doesn't lead, but whenever he starts leading, I come to hate him more and more, because he doesn't respect his members, and he takes them for granted. Not a fan of that.

Anyway, I know I'm not in a place to judge, but no person is not in a place to advise, so here's my advice.

Enjoy.

~LV
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NuclearScience is not online. NuclearScience
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15 Oct 2014 05:44 PM
This is the way I think. :o
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Pragmatist is not online. Pragmatist
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15 Oct 2014 05:45 PM
Seriously don't know what you mean

I think it's pretty weird you observe me. I'm also concerned for my safety now.
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ScorviusValrath is not online. ScorviusValrath
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15 Oct 2014 05:50 PM
You think it's weird that I have the human instinct to pick up on my surroundings? Ok.

Anyway, you know what I mean.

You use people. You deceive people. You ignore people. You take all your followers for granted.

If you don't see it, I guess you're pretty damn ignorant too.

~LV
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ScorviusValrath is not online. ScorviusValrath
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15 Oct 2014 05:52 PM
Plus the Ego.
Ergh.

~LV
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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15 Oct 2014 05:53 PM
you dun know what you saying
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ScorviusValrath is not online. ScorviusValrath
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15 Oct 2014 05:55 PM
@Wanna

I know plenty.

Only reason I'm able to say it is because I don't care for my reputation anymore. It's already sub-hate so why not express my opinion.

Are you saying I don't know what I'm saying about prag, or this thread? I'm pretty sure I've got a solid clue on both.

~LV
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Domeboybeene is not online. Domeboybeene
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15 Oct 2014 05:55 PM
Your advice is duly noted.
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Raethyr is not online. Raethyr
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15 Oct 2014 05:55 PM
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ScorviusValrath is not online. ScorviusValrath
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15 Oct 2014 05:56 PM
And here come all the C&Gers:

Denying good advice, and continuing their descent.

Classic.

~LV
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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15 Oct 2014 05:57 PM
both.
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ScorviusValrath is not online. ScorviusValrath
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15 Oct 2014 05:58 PM
I'm wrong to say that people shouldn't ruin clans, because they're too prideful about a game?

Ok then.

~LV
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Necrosys is not online. Necrosys
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15 Oct 2014 06:00 PM
Are you trying to say that every leader that owns a group has an ego and pride?

Because your right every person does leader or not.

-N3CR0SYS
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Domeboybeene is not online. Domeboybeene
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15 Oct 2014 06:01 PM
I wasn't being sarcastic. I actually agree with you.


...you're welcome.
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WVfighter is not online. WVfighter
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15 Oct 2014 06:02 PM
sounds more like you than isolaytor or prag

scammer
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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15 Oct 2014 06:02 PM
you are wrong to say that proud leaders don't take their members into account.

you're wrong to say that someone who constantly brags about his group does not benefit from it, there are plenty of instances where bragging and being utterly obnoxious about how presumably great your group is increased recruitment and recognition.

you're wrong to say that it's the only reason which makes the clan community bad.

you're wrong to say that iso and prag turn their backs on their members as leaders.

and finally, you're wrong about calling this an advice. since much of it was judgement.
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Castlemore is not online. Castlemore
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15 Oct 2014 06:02 PM
altho prag made me a nice intro gui that i still use to this day and hes pretty cool yes he is nasty sometimes >:((((( but then again every leader i ever talk to just flames me, tells me to gtfo or 'lmao's when i talk to them

even when i give them very very very good advice on how to make their clan a superclan
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ScorviusValrath is not online. ScorviusValrath
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15 Oct 2014 06:02 PM
@Necro

A little bit of ego, and pride is definitely worth it. I've had ego and pride in all my clans, sometimes too much.

It's that hyper-ego or hyper-pride for your clan, and not just the members, but just the power that corrupts, and kills the clan, and the community.

That's what I'm going at.

@Dome

Thanks. Last comment wasn't directed at you.

~LV
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AvilianHolder is not online. AvilianHolder
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15 Oct 2014 06:04 PM
Valrath is right about this one;

"Seriously don't know what you mean

I think it's pretty weird you observe me. I'm also concerned for my safety now."

A few months ago, you said Valrath was just as good as a leader as you, but minus the attention and whatnot.

You make clans, get them hyped, and let down the people around you, personally, I thought you were great in 2011 but I lost all hope in you after Frigid, and personally, that clan was no fun because of the hostile community,

But god help the clueless kids following you and Obtention around when we all know that your "clan" won't last long in your leadership or his, like you said with SC, TSG, TSD.

But hey, maybe your ego clouds the fact that you do let down many people every other clan you shutdown, give away, or sell.

I also enjoyed the first The Steel Gladium, but you kind of ruined all the memories of that.
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SUGERDEW is not online. SUGERDEW
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15 Oct 2014 06:04 PM
not rlly advice
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Dravum is not online. Dravum
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15 Oct 2014 06:06 PM
cuby
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ShadyVoid is not online. ShadyVoid
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15 Oct 2014 06:07 PM
pride and ego are the same thing

im shrek ligh year
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AvilianHolder is not online. AvilianHolder
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15 Oct 2014 06:08 PM
"sounds more like you than isolaytor or prag

scammer"

The fact you're still crying about that, even though it's been about 2 years, kind of pains me, if I do remember, he returned whatever limited's he had in his share.
Havum --
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ScorviusValrath is not online. ScorviusValrath
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15 Oct 2014 06:08 PM
you are wrong to say that proud leaders don't take their members into account:

I didn't say that. I said that often, leader's are clouded by their egos, and pride that they don't take their members into consideration. At least that was what I was going for.

you're wrong to say that someone who constantly brags about his group does not benefit from it, there are plenty of instances where bragging and being utterly obnoxious about how presumably great your group is increased recruitment and recognition.:

Yes, of course they benefit. It's the over-hype, the over-flame, the over-ego that really messes things up, when the leader gets ultra-prideful.

you're wrong to say that it's the only reason which makes the clan community bad.

It's not the ONLY reason, but I do believe it's a dominating reason.

you're wrong to say that iso and prag turn their backs on their members as leaders.

I'm not, considering I've experienced it first-hand.

and finally, you're wrong about calling this an advice. since much of it was judgement.

Half judgement, half advice, therefore advice.

@Avilian

Valid points.

~LV
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materking is not online. materking
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15 Oct 2014 06:09 PM
One thing I personally dislike about big-clan leaders is how careless they are

they are careless about their members, they see them as a number,and not a person

I try to respond to all pms from my members and answer any questions and meet any needs they might have, for the simple reason of, keeping them happy, simply treating them like another human, I strongly believe that groups need leaders that care about their members, and what makes their group anything,
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