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| 09 Oct 2014 03:36 PM |
We see all the time on the news cops who shoot and/or kill people for no reason. Just within the last week, several innocent people were shot and killed by cops in the US all over different news sites.
My solution is a multipart solution and I think it'll work for any country as well. Also, post your opinions on it.
Here are the parts of my solution:
1. Cops should not carry deadly firearms. Weapons like tasers, pepper spray, and rubber bullets are all incredibly good at incapacitating someone and none of them are deadly. If you get shot by a rubber bullet, you'll be on the ground in pain but you won't be dead.
2. Mandated recording at all times. Cops should have everything they do on duty recorded with video. They already do this with their squad cars. I'm saying move the camera from the squad car to the uniform of the officer so everything he does will be recorded always. This wouldn't be expensive, cameras these days come cheap and, if we can already afford one in the squad car, then we can afford one for the individual officers.
3. Enforce strict punishment. Cops today abuse their power a lot, and the reason they do is because punishment isn't severe. If you shoot and kill and innocent man as a police officer, you're golden. No punishments at all. Personally, I think if you're a police officer and you shoot an innocent man for no justifiable reason, you should be put on trial for murder and sent to prison. Police officers aren't angels, they're normal people who got hired because they could run and shoot a gun. They should be held just as accountable for their actions as normal people.
So this is basically my solution. What do you guys think? |
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Dulexo
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| 09 Oct 2014 03:46 PM |
tl;dr
only america has this problem
us finns dont
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| 09 Oct 2014 03:53 PM |
"Cops today abuse their power a lot" What the media isn't telling you, potato, is that police brutality is not really that frequent...at all. An extremely low amount of encounters with cops involve violence. Out of those, very few involve death. Out of those that involve death, an infinitesimal few involve the cop shooting for "no reason"(or a bad reason).
"I think if you're a police officer and you shoot an innocent man for no justifiable reason, you should be put on trial for murder and sent to prison" That already happens, and has happened for a long time. |
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Dulexo
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| 09 Oct 2014 03:58 PM |
pretty sure most of the american cops shoot ppl just for twitching kthx |
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| 09 Oct 2014 03:58 PM |
>"What the media isn't telling you, potato, is that police brutality is not really that frequent...at all."
So hundreds of times a day throughout the country isn't a lot? ONE time is too much.
>"An extremely low amount of encounters with cops involve violence. Out of those, very few involve death. Out of those that involve death, an infinitesimal few involve the cop shooting for "no reason"(or a bad reason)."
But they do happen. All the time.
>"That already happens, and has happened for a long time."
Nope. Please actually research things because commenting. |
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Tappier
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| 09 Oct 2014 04:07 PM |
| Also, if you can even give us some evidence of the unjustified killings, "hundreds of times a day throughout the country," also give us your definition of innocent and justified/unjustified, please. (Hint: If someone is deliberately attacking a cop, they aren't innocent) |
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Dulexo
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| 09 Oct 2014 04:11 PM |
| god america should just dissolve ffs |
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| 09 Oct 2014 04:25 PM |
"Guess the one time I accidently cut my hands with a pocket knife is too much. Better take knives away from people, lest one cuts themselves with it once."
equating cutting your own hand to an officer killing someone is unfair to say the least. |
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Zech9005
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| 09 Oct 2014 05:55 PM |
Yeah, one problem.
Google "Cop VS Vietnam vet". Its a livelink video.
Watch the entire thing, and especially listen when the cop is shot individually in each one of his limbs on purpose before the kill shot goes through his right eye. |
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Zech9005
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| 09 Oct 2014 05:55 PM |
| The time I mentioned is 2:24, if you feel like skipping. |
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| 09 Oct 2014 06:07 PM |
well if people wouldn't break the law
they wouldn't get shoot |
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| 09 Oct 2014 06:30 PM |
Cops should not carry deadly firearms. Weapons like tasers, pepper spray, and rubber bullets are all incredibly good at incapacitating someone and none of them are deadly. If you get shot by a rubber bullet, you'll be on the ground in pain but you won't be dead. North Hollywood shootout. |
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Kaidou
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| 09 Oct 2014 06:47 PM |
>Cops should not carry deadly firearms. Well, that's a new gun control argument. However, it's a very faulty one. If there's a serial killer on the loose, and you're a cop in the woods trying to find him, he could come from out of nowhere. A rubber bullet or taser round may slow him down, but if he's on some steroid, he could still get to you and kill you. Self-defense is the way to go, even if it may mean killing someone, but in this case, it's justified.
>2. Mandated recording at all times. This one I agree with, but putting a camera within the reach of a cop at all times? He could always just turn it off for a second, and justify it as, the battery died.
>Enforce strict punishment. You do understand that cops are law enforcement? They're the ones who enforce the law. Who will enforce this strict punishment? The chief, you say? What if he's dirty too?
>Police officers aren't angels, they're normal people who got hired because they could run and shoot a gun. If that was all it took to become a cop, there would be a lot more criminals out there running around as cops, simply because they can run and shoot. There are age limits. Background checks. All this stuff that has to be done to become a cop. It's much more than running and shooting. From what I've heard, a lot of days don't have any running or shooting, as least in this small town that contains the county prison. |
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| 09 Oct 2014 06:58 PM |
"Cops should not carry deadly firearms."
what a bad idea on so many levels.
"Mandated recording at all times."
already happening.
"Enforce strict punishment."
doesn't make sense.
do u evn fingerpaint | 85k/100k |
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s345
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| 09 Oct 2014 06:59 PM |
no they don't. 90% of policemen in america are good cops. go walk up to one and ask him how he's doing. i guarantee you won't get shot.
the media only wants to record bad cops, NOBODY wants to record a good cop, which is why your under the illusion that all cops are bad
search good cop on youtube
now, about the monitoring, they have video on their cars, the taser has a camera, they also have a microphone on their uniforms so the department can hear them. Some departments even have what's called a "vidmic" which is a microphone AND a camera on their uniforms.
lastly, cops need weapons like the military does. they defend our country, because don't worry, if you get shot at by a gun with bullets in it, when someone wants to kill you, your absolute best option is to shoot back with some rubber buckshot or a taser, which might not even work. |
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| 09 Oct 2014 07:03 PM |
>"Well, that's a new gun control argument. However, it's a very faulty one. If there's a serial killer on the loose, and you're a cop in the woods trying to find him, he could come from out of nowhere. A rubber bullet or taser round may slow him down, but if he's on some steroid, he could still get to you and kill you. Self-defense is the way to go, even if it may mean killing someone, but in this case, it's justified."
The hell did this guy get steroids from? And if it's a major raid, you have the SWAT team.
The local police shouldn't be handling something like this in the first place.
>"This one I agree with, but putting a camera within the reach of a cop at all times? He could always just turn it off for a second, and justify it as, the battery died."
Then he should be fired for failing to comply with protocol. It's not hard to put a new battery in.
>"You do understand that cops are law enforcement? They're the ones who enforce the law. Who will enforce this strict punishment? The chief, you say? What if he's dirty too?"
False. Cops only enforce the laws on the streets. The courts do the sentencing. And the "cops" isn't just one person. Other police forces can turn over corrupt ones.
If a police force isn't complying and consistently killing innocents, then the government needs to get involved to stop it and put everyone away who is involved.
>"If that was all it took to become a cop, there would be a lot more criminals out there running around as cops, simply because they can run and shoot. There are age limits. Background checks. All this stuff that has to be done to become a cop. It's much more than running and shooting. From what I've heard, a lot of days don't have any running or shooting, as least in this small town that contains the county prison."
The age limit part was just stupid for you to mention. That's rather obvious and a requirement of most every non-minimum wage job. Most people don't have criminal records. So background checks was dumb to mention as well. I don't know of anyone with a criminal record, and I live in a pretty ghetto place.
I know the process to be a cop because I watched my dad go through it. There's a lot you have to go through but any old Joe off the side of the street could do it if he wanted to.
And by "running and shooting" I was referring to the training, not the actual job. My dad had to do a lot of running and other physical exercise tests and he also had to do target practice a lot (he even got in the paper for winning an award for top score). |
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s345
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| 09 Oct 2014 07:07 PM |
they need guns, end of story.
someone can just jump out and start shooting.
lets say your at a gas station and there's a cop getting gas behind you.
3 guys come up and starts shooting at you both
but, don't worry, the cop has a taser and pepper spray to save you.
tasers are only capable of taking down, for a short period of time, 1 person. and it may fail. a prong could miss.
you never know what kind of drugs people are on, the taser might not do any good.
if you run at them with pepper spray, you might as well just be saying "shoot me"
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| 09 Oct 2014 07:07 PM |
>"no they don't. 90% of policemen in america are good cops. go walk up to one and ask him how he's doing. i guarantee you won't get shot."
90%? 90%? You REALLY think that's a good number? What if, let's say, there was a 90% birth survival rate. Meaning, 1/10 people died when giving birth.
1/10, that means "I don't have a mom" would be pretty common and many of your friends would be familiar with that statement.
There's ~800,000 cops in the US. 90% means there's freaking 80,000 deadly people out there abusing their power!
90% isn't a lot. 99% isn't a lot. That's still 8000 people.
America is a big place with over 300,000,000 residents. Having even a few thousand bad cops means a lot of deaths, and it just so happens that we see several police brutalities every week in the US.
I honestly don't understand how you could be fine with that. |
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| 09 Oct 2014 07:08 PM |
@s345
Pathetic straw man is pathetic. You purposefully ignored my mention of rubber bullets just to make your argument sound more convincing. |
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s345
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| 09 Oct 2014 07:12 PM |
right. and you think 100% good cops is possible? you don't know what goes on in someones head.
in america, we give guns to anyone without a criminal record.
if your concerned about your safety, don't talk to cops, and the simplest of all, don't break the law.
buy yourself a gun, and be nice to cops, if your nice to them, they'll respect you.
if your all cool and all and you give them a fit, things aren't going to go so well.
for example, if you get pulled over, show the cop id. your concern about him being a stalker, is invalid.
do you know how many id's cops check a day? he won't even remember you, plus, he doesn't even look it up, the dispatcher does in most cases.
point is, most cops are good and it's the golden rule, if your nice to them, they're nice to you.
if we disarmed cops, well, they have no criminal record, they'd just buy their own guns... |
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| 09 Oct 2014 07:13 PM |
"Cops should not carry deadly firearms." North Hollywood Shootout pls. |
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s345
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| 09 Oct 2014 07:14 PM |
yeah.
if someone broke into my house with a gun who wants to kill me, i'd use rubber bullets.
cops shouldn't exist if they can't protect anyone.
people can use drugs to stop the pain of rubber bullets.
police are here to protect you with real bullets, now i'll admit, if someones got a knife, a taser or something else non-lethal could do.
but when they shoot, you shoot back. it's not a game anymore. |
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Dulexo
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| 09 Oct 2014 07:15 PM |
>100 cops later
>both guys end up shooting themselves
lold |
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