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Re: Worst presidents in United States history

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Swagudelo is not online. Swagudelo
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09 Oct 2014 04:50 PM
The names that come to mind for me are James Buchanan (probably #1), Herbert Hoover, Millard Fillmore, Jimmy Carter, Warren G. Harding, Harry Truman, Franklin Pierce, Andrew Johnson, Calvin Coolidge, Richard Nixon

If I had to give a top 5 it would be

1. Buchanan
2. Pierce
3. Coolidge
4. Truman
5. Carter
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EpiclyRemembered is not online. EpiclyRemembered
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09 Oct 2014 04:55 PM
i would argue truman but all fact in my head have leaked out since government and my own research

he's not top 5 imo though
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doctorgonzo is not online. doctorgonzo
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09 Oct 2014 04:58 PM
1 (t). bush jr
1 (t). reagan
1 (t). nixon
1 (t). bush sr
1 (t). clinton
1 (t). truman
1 (t). jfk
1 (t). lbj
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Swagudelo is not online. Swagudelo
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09 Oct 2014 04:58 PM
The main reason I have Truman on here is because he's entirely at fault for the Cold War
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doctorgonzo is not online. doctorgonzo
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09 Oct 2014 05:00 PM
the cold war was inevitable. the US had been at odds with communism since the russian revolution, and the russians likewise


see: arkangel raid, red summer 1919



truman sucks because he committed genocide and war crimes
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bigfootluver is not online. bigfootluver
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09 Oct 2014 05:01 PM
Reagan= BEST!

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doctorgonzo is not online. doctorgonzo
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09 Oct 2014 05:04 PM
arkangel raid = polar bear expedition. it's called that actually
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Swagudelo is not online. Swagudelo
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09 Oct 2014 05:06 PM
The Cold War would have never been as influential as it was if Truman wasn't hard headed and could compromise, and if he didn't basically gave a big "F U" to the Soviet Union

Truman also f**ked up in handling the distribution of Germany's zones, and Soviet aggression, which obviously escalated into a much larger problem later
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09 Oct 2014 05:10 PM
"The Cold War would have never been as influential as it was if Truman wasn't hard headed and could compromise,"

what would they compromise about?

"and if he didn't basically gave a big "F U" to the Soviet Union"

i'm not sure what you're referring to


"Truman also f**ked up in handling the distribution of Germany's zones,"

the distribution was decided at the yalta conference, under FDR

"and Soviet aggression,"

the major act was the blockade of berlin for allied forces, which lead to the marshall plan, which was regarded as a success by historians

"which obviously escalated into a much larger problem later"

such as
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Swagudelo is not online. Swagudelo
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09 Oct 2014 05:11 PM
I'll discuss it later I have to go to soccer practice
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09 Oct 2014 05:14 PM
Also, just a note before I leave that on polls taken from C-SPAN, ABC, Washington College, Gallup, Rassmussen, and from notable historians all combined

JFK and Reagan never drop farther than 4th as the greatest presidents in U.S. history, and both have the highest favorability to unfavorability ratio of any other presidents
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09 Oct 2014 05:20 PM
"JFK and Reagan never drop farther than 4th as the greatest presidents in U.S. history, and both have the highest favorability to unfavorability ratio of any other presidents"

that's an opinion poll, it's pretty much the amount of people who agree with them rather than those who stand back and criticize them



JFK escalated the vietnam war from intervention to war
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09 Oct 2014 05:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE5Ufx5GSAg

banter
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09 Oct 2014 05:23 PM
and reagan cut every social program, undermined every union, funded iran and iraq secretly, was responsible for iran-contra, invaded nicaragua, panama, and grenada, supported pinochet and protected him, ran the economy into the ground by relaxing regulations, destroyed the middle class, etc etc
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WroeToKobe is not online. WroeToKobe
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09 Oct 2014 05:25 PM
tbh george washington SUCKS BUTT

banter
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CheeseyMacral is not online. CheeseyMacral
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09 Oct 2014 05:30 PM
george w bush is the worst president of all time sorry

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Swagudelo is not online. Swagudelo
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09 Oct 2014 05:33 PM
Reagan didn't "invade" Grenada. I would know since my dad is Grenadian and some of his friends were actually put in jail for publicly undermining the rule of Maurice Bishop. Nobody in Grenada wanted a communist government. He seized power from the Prime Minister, tortured and abused Grenadian citizens, and was a tool in general. Grenadians were thankful to Reagan for overthrowing Bishop. Only recently did his daughter seek forgiveness and issue an apology for her father's atrocious behavior.

If Reagan didn't overthrow Bishop I wouldn't even be alive today
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09 Oct 2014 05:36 PM
truman had the guts to drop the bombs

he took out macarthur which was a smart move

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09 Oct 2014 05:40 PM
>truman had the guts to drop the bombs

you're right it takes "guts" to voluntarily kill hundreds of thousands of people

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09 Oct 2014 05:43 PM
it ended the war but he could've just dropped it on bases

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09 Oct 2014 05:45 PM
hoover was fine until he did nothing to get us out of the depression

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09 Oct 2014 05:49 PM
1. Buchanan
2. Pierce
3. Coolidge
4. Truman
5. Carter


Buchanan idc
Pierce is my fav, for some unknown reason
Coolidge? y
Truman makes sense i guess
Carter? y

and how is nixon not top 5
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09 Oct 2014 05:50 PM
"Reagan didn't "invade" Grenada."

strange, because every history book refers to it as "the invasion of grenada"

"I would know since my dad is Grenadian and some of his friends were actually put in jail for publicly undermining the rule of Maurice Bishop."

except maurice bishop was already dead before the USA invaded

"Nobody in Grenada wanted a communist government."

actually, they did. he increased women's and worker's rights, and fought against apartheid. they didn't want hudson austin's military government

"He seized power from the Prime Minister, tortured and abused Grenadian citizens, and was a tool in general."

as did hudson austin and bernard hoard, who are the real reason the USA invaded

"Grenadians were thankful to Reagan for overthrowing Bishop."

austin*

"Only recently did his daughter seek forgiveness and issue an apology for her father's atrocious behavior."

have you read her apology, or are you just saying things?

http://www.belgrafix.com/gtoday/2008news/Jan/Jan12/Nadia-Bishop-speaks-of-forgiveness-and-reconciliation.htm

she's asking the grenadan people to forgive those who killed bishop and austin

" truman had the guts to drop the bombs"

it's cowardice to commit genocide

"he took out macarthur which was a smart move"

he took out macarthur because macarthur was going to drag the USA into a nuclear war without truman's permission
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bunghole1914 is not online. bunghole1914
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09 Oct 2014 05:50 PM
You forgot about obama
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doctorgonzo is not online. doctorgonzo
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09 Oct 2014 05:53 PM
just so you know, 83 out of 109 UN countries voted that the invasion of grenada violated international law. the USA vetoed it


"it ended the war but he could've just dropped it on bases"

1. if he had to use them, he should've dropped them on bases. he chose civilians
2. the US strategic bombing survey 1945 concluded that dropping the bombs was unnescessary for victory against japan
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