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Re: California - First State to Correctly Define Consent

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one state down.

an entire planet to go.

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disgusting @0zone

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^And how is that?

Because I don't want the government to start imprisoning people because they disagree with feminists?
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so you thinking doing the do with a women who cant give proper consent while under the influence is completely fine?

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Seems to be for the better but it probably needs some adjustments.
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YASS LA HELP ME DRAG!

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I'm not sure which side to take here. What counts as "conscious"?
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Money does things to people
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women should learn how to defend themselves instead of running away screaming like a little kid
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0z0ne this has nothing to do with feminism

this is how consent is defined in germany since 1949
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30 Sep 2014 06:30 AM
"Misogyny is disagreeing with feminism?

Victimization is irrelevant. One party is held responsible for their actions under the influence, while the other is not. If you consent to do something while intoxicated, it's your own fault for intoxicating yourself, knowing that such a thing is impossible.

Stop trying to pull ad hominems and other attacks to derail the argument. The fact is that a double standard exists, and feminists are not willing to recognize it because it contradicts their dogma."




Oh please.

Victimization is -always- relevant in determining a case where someone s.xu.lly assaulted another.

I don't understand why you're trying to cover for r.pe with this apologist crap; nobody is consenting to s.x, warranted or not, just because they're under the influence. You're teaching people that it is somehow okay for them to s.xu.lly assault an impaired person. That is unbelievable.




Let's be honest here- you do not care about the rights of men. You only identify as an MRA because you dislike the concept of feminism and feminists. I get that. What I don't understand is why you're so adamantine about opposing this when it benefits everyone who is/will ever be a victim of such a tragedy.
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What If I told you I could destroy both of your arguments with one hit?

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Human Rights, NOT Womens Rights, NOT Mens Rights, NOT african american Rights, NOT White Rights, but simply HUMAN Rights.

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30 Sep 2014 08:43 AM
Once again, missing the point.

This new law is nothing but a tool for women (male victims rarely ever report for fear of harassment, and when they do rarely anything happens) to put innocent men they disagree with in prison without a shred of evidence.

If you willingly impair yourself, and consent to something later, you aren't being taken advantage of. It's your own damn fault for drinking your self into an abyss. If one party is held responsible under the influence of alcohol, the other also should be. They both make decisions, why does the woman who regrets her decision gets to imprison someone.
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30 Sep 2014 10:12 AM
As a lot of this is getting mixed up with feminism, and this post isn't about feminism.

If two intoxicated people consent when both are CLEARLY not "Able" to give consent, the woman can still claim r.p. and the man will be found guilty nearly every time.

Double Standards, amirite?
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30 Sep 2014 10:19 AM
"so you thinking doing the do with a women who cant give proper consent while under the influence is completely fine?"

It's funny how you only mention women not being able to give proper consent, and not men.
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30 Sep 2014 01:55 PM
"This new law is nothing but a tool for women (male victims rarely ever report for fear of harassment, and when they do rarely anything happens) to put innocent men they disagree with in prison without a shred of evidence."



Oh -please-, you're more likely to be struck by a comet than falsely accused of s.xu.l assault[1].


"If you willingly impair yourself, and consent to something later, you aren't being taken advantage of. It's your own damn fault for drinking your self into an abyss. If one party is held responsible under the influence of alcohol, the other also should be. They both make decisions, why does the woman who regrets her decision gets to imprison someone."


Yes, you are being taken advantage of. A person is in no mental/emotional state to give conscious, affirmative consent if they're under the influence of any mind-impairing substances.

It's despicable that you resort to victim blaming. It's insanely irrational to try and curve around r.pe and allow the number of r.pists to increase. We need to take the initiative and progress as a society.

"If two intoxicated people consent when both are CLEARLY not "Able" to give consent, the woman can still claim r.p. and the man will be found guilty nearly every time.

Double Standards, amirite?"


Please, give me a precedent to evince your statement.

"It's funny how you only mention women not being able to give proper consent, and not men."

If you actually read everything else I've posted, I'm trying to be as gender-neutral as possible. That was an accident.
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