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Re: Wage Gap is a myth.

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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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29 Sep 2014 12:13 PM
I am reiterating on this topic due to a post I seen by the telegraph that got it oh so wrong in its fact checking.

In the United States it is often complained by the "left" that women get paid 75¢ for every dollar a man gets. The problem with this is that it is a blind comparison. In example, in a report by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Women are shown to be more likely to take minimum wage jobs. Per example the total number of men and women working minimum wage jobs were respectively (in thousands) 1,243 and 2,048 [Characteristics of Minimum Wage Workers, 2013]. In terms of percentages the percentage of women to the total of minimum wage workers is 62.06 percent.

With this in mind we should calculate the percentage of jobs that the minimum wage actually makes up in the United States. Knowing that as of August 2014, the number of female jobs was 71.9 Million [Women's Employment During the Recovery, Department of Labor] and that they held 47.1 Million of those jobs in the minimum wage department it is no wonder that women on average get paid less when what you're averaging is the grand total of female wages.

To conclude we turn to Economists Eric Solberg, Tersa Laughlin and the Consad Research Corporation. We should begin with the first two. Eric and Tersa found that when you adjust for total compensation the pay gap is brought down to 3.6% [Gender Pay Gap May Be Smaller than Most Think, St. Louis Fed]. Furthermore in the study by Consad they find that the gender wage gap is around 4.8 percent [An Analysis of Reasons for the Disparity in Wages Between Men and Women].

This is a much less worrying difference. And even if you say that these three sources are wrong the claim that women make 75 cents for every dollar men do is also not up to date. As the traditional way of blindly adding up wages shows that the median wage difference is about 15.1%.
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breuning is not online. breuning
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29 Sep 2014 12:30 PM
wage gap is real, that is shown in statistics in germany
we have wage gaps between male and female and also between west and east

Germany is a far more social state than the US, with a lot more rights for workers, so I guess it's the same way in the US
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Neraj1 is not online. Neraj1
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29 Sep 2014 12:59 PM
Women are paid 78% of what men are, I don't where the hell you got all this nonsense.
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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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29 Sep 2014 02:33 PM
Women are paid 78% of what men are, I don't where the hell you got all this nonsense.
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Evidence what I said is nonsense? You literally offered no evidence that this was the case and the St. Louis Fed stated that 15% is what you get from the median wage when you do not account for industry factors. But go ahead and show me what i wrote that was wrong.
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Neraj1 is not online. Neraj1
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29 Sep 2014 02:42 PM
http://www.aauw.org/research/the-simple-truth-about-the-gender-pay-gap/
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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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29 Sep 2014 03:02 PM
That website in no way says that my sources are incorrect. Which is the point. When people refer to the wage gap they're referring to what the aauw is referring to. Blindly looking at the average wage and making a presumption about the reality of the situation. The average wage of an occupation or of the gender as a whole is a notoriously bad way of proving there is a wage gap. Why? Because that doesn't control for individual choices and their human capital. Which is what my argument if you read it is about. Payscale explains it perfectly: "Do Men Really Earn More Than Women" Search it and the first result should be payscale.
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Neraj1 is not online. Neraj1
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29 Sep 2014 03:06 PM
I've done that that's how I got my "women make 78% of what men make" statistic.
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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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29 Sep 2014 03:12 PM
I've done that that's how I got my "women make 78% of what men make" statistic.
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Your statistic is wrong. This is shown by the St. Louis Federal Reserve Bank, Economist Eric Solberg, Economist Tersa Laughlin and Consad. Where every single one disagrees with your statement. Quoting Consad:

"There are observable differences in the attributes of men and women that account for most of the wage gap. Statistical analysis that includes those variables has produced results that collectively account for between 65.1 and 76.4 percent of a raw gender wage gap of 20.4 percent, and thereby leave an adjusted gender wage gap that is between 4.8 and 7.1 percent."
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Neraj1 is not online. Neraj1
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29 Sep 2014 03:18 PM
equal pay for equal work, no matter what pseudo-statistics you have.
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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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29 Sep 2014 03:21 PM
equal pay for equal work, no matter what pseudo-statistics you have.
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"Pseudo-statistics" you imply these are false. I am more likely to trust Consad than you. You get paid what your worth. You assume that women are doing the same amount and quality of work. And this is true as well as it being true that women are more willing to accept less money for the same amount and quality of work then why not just hire a company full of women? This would increase the profit margin. The fact is that this isn't the case. And if it was men would not be employed.
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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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29 Sep 2014 03:24 PM
**And if this is true
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Hearsay is not online. Hearsay
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29 Sep 2014 03:25 PM
i like how OP put a bunch of citations and statistics and neraj is like "this is fake because i said it is"
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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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29 Sep 2014 03:29 PM
Hearsay; exactly.
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kingdestroyah is not online. kingdestroyah
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29 Sep 2014 03:29 PM
"Women are paid 78% of what men are, I don't where the hell you got all this nonsense."

Women tend to choose lower paying jobs due to reasons like children.
If something can be disproved in one sentence, it probably isn't true.
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Neraj1 is not online. Neraj1
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29 Sep 2014 03:30 PM
"Women tend to choose lower paying jobs due to reasons like children."

No, I'm talking about the same job women get paid 78% of what a man does for the SAME job.
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Neraj1 is not online. Neraj1
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29 Sep 2014 03:31 PM
I honestly don't care about any of this, I'm against all forms of monetary systems.
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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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29 Sep 2014 03:39 PM
No, I'm talking about the same job women get paid 78% of what a man does for the SAME job.
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The problem is that this is shown not to be true at all. Women of "Other" martial status make 91% of what men of "Other" martial status makes [Highlights of Women’s Earnings in 2012]. Not 78%.
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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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29 Sep 2014 03:39 PM
I honestly don't care about any of this, I'm against all forms of monetary systems.
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And you propose what? That we go back to trade and barter?
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29 Sep 2014 03:48 PM
I honestly don't care about any of this, I'm against all forms of monetary systems.
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lol commie scum
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LaFeministe is not online. LaFeministe
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29 Sep 2014 03:49 PM
I'd say it's more of a pay gap than a wage gap, honestly.


Not that you're wrong, Flatline-- I agree that people embellish the significance of this proclaimed 'issue'. Women are less common in STEM careers (which offer greater pay), and their careers are more conventionally associated with humanities, social sciences, and education; all which, on average, receive lesser annual pay in comparison to STEM careers.

I think that's the main issue with people trying to assert that the pay gap between genders is of any real significance (though I haven't looked into this a whole lot so feel free to correct me), they fail to recognize -what- fields women and men commonly pursue. Understanding why there's such a gender imbalance, though, is open to interpretation.
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Weaponizing is not online. Weaponizing
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29 Sep 2014 03:54 PM
women have more job opportunities then men
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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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29 Sep 2014 04:11 PM
I'd say it's more of a pay gap than a wage gap, honestly.


Not that you're wrong, Flatline-- I agree that people embellish the significance of this proclaimed 'issue'. Women are less common in STEM careers (which offer greater pay), and their careers are more conventionally associated with humanities, social sciences, and education; all which, on average, receive lesser annual pay in comparison to STEM careers.

I think that's the main issue with people trying to assert that the pay gap between genders is of any real significance (though I haven't looked into this a whole lot so feel free to correct me), they fail to recognize -what- fields women and men commonly pursue. Understanding why there's such a gender imbalance, though, is open to interpretation.
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I can agree that the gap is based on choices they make as you said women go into humanities and social sciences have less annual pay opportunities than men of course. If people wanted to do something about the imbalance the real solution is to guide females into higher paying jobs. Assuming that's probable of course. Yes I agree it isn't an issue. But I felt like it needed to be addressed as it is so rampant in the media.
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Neraj1 is not online. Neraj1
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29 Sep 2014 04:12 PM
"And you propose what? That we go back to trade and barter?"

No I propose a resource based economy. It basically goes that there is enough resources on this planet to feed, clothe, and provide a high standard of living for everyone, but the monetary system and the false scarcity it encourages prevents all of it from being used to its fullest potential. In a resource based economy, stuff is just done, no transactions or the like happens.
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TheKentuckian is not online. TheKentuckian
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29 Sep 2014 05:46 PM
No I propose a resource based economy. It basically goes that there is enough resources on this planet to feed, clothe, and provide a high standard of living for everyone, but the monetary system and the false scarcity it encourages prevents all of it from being used to its fullest potential. In a resource based economy, stuff is just done, no transactions or the like happens.
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And then there is no incentive to work because you will be provided for anyways.
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Zech9005 is not online. Zech9005
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29 Sep 2014 05:49 PM
Fact: It's against the law to pay different wages based upon gender orientation race or what have you.

Fact: More women go into lower paying jobs in Education and Healthcare.

Fact: More men go into higher paying jobs such as IT and Engineering.

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