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Re: Admins, what is your opinion regarding the clan world?

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Harbynger is not online. Harbynger
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27 Sep 2014 01:50 AM
Er, hi, I normally don't directly post outside of C&G, but I guess hi.

I can only put 60 characters in a title, so I guess I'll have to list everything here.

> What is your opinion regarding clans? Will clans ever officially be separated from ordinary 'groups' and fan clubs?

> Will we be seeing more features specifically for clans, in a positive way, sometime soon?

> What is your opinion regarding the real separation between ROBLOX's mature community (The clan world), ROBLOX's nostalgic community ( YouTubers, namely PhyreFox and that other guy, a close friend of mine Rukain, most developers.), ROBLOX's trading community (The guys who keep spamming trades) and ROBLOX's child community (Basically everyone else).

> When will we see groups in general start to have a larger variety of features? Something like we can own Assets, or we can have owners of a group or clan based on how much of the clan's worth you own?


> Do you consider any separation within the clan world, looking outside of it? From an outside perspective, is there really any difference between a powerclan, a minorclan, and a superclan?

> Will we be seeing any features that work specifically for clans on the website, besides the now inefficient and useless Group Recruiting Plaza and official Advertising system?

> What does ROBLOX want to go in general regarding clans in the future?

> Will we ever see more options to leadership besides a monarchy?

> Was the Group feature actually meant to spawn the clan world in the first place? (Or rather, give rise to it?)

- Breekahn Brizon, the Umbarch of Tenebrosity
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skippertomtom is not online. skippertomtom
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27 Sep 2014 02:18 AM
All I know is...
#1 is no.

Are you finished with those errands?
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Harbynger is not online. Harbynger
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27 Sep 2014 01:27 PM
Bump.

- Breekahn Brizon
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Harbynger is not online. Harbynger
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27 Sep 2014 01:35 PM
Alright?

- Breekahn Brizon
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Harbynger is not online. Harbynger
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27 Sep 2014 02:17 PM
...

So...


No?

- Breekahn Brizon
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ShadowForged is not online. ShadowForged
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27 Sep 2014 02:19 PM
I hope yes.

The phantom of the opera is there in my mind...
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scream1214 is not online. scream1214
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27 Sep 2014 02:29 PM
wot m8? d1nt 3v3n r3@d



_I like big butts and I am not banned_
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Spitsbrough is not online. Spitsbrough
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27 Sep 2014 02:32 PM
I am hoping yes.

So am I computerized one, so am I.
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Harbynger is not online. Harbynger
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27 Sep 2014 02:48 PM
Indeed, back in 2008 and 2007, ROBLOX used to really embrace it's mature community, and this is why ROBLOX was so popular back then, we had more admins like b1tsh1ft (friendly with the community, banned people who are legitimately breaking the rules, etc.), and less "kthx bye never come back" ("How about we ban you for a model you made in 2006 that now breaks the rules, with no warning or anything?!") moderation, the whole Fleskhjerta and Scatman thing going on, circle studs, etc. etc.

Sure, there's a lot of admins who are like b1t, but we don't ever see them because they don't ever really interact with the community.

Most of us are here strictly for the clan community, which makes up at least 80 - 90% of ROBLOX's intelligent community, essentially everyone else quit a long time ago.

Now, all we have left is the best admin ever (b1tsh1ft), our often denounced developers (Take for example, Indistinct's termination, a RBXDev member, all because he was working on Frigid.), and a dying clan world that gets impaled by some update that ruins certain features every other week.

Not to mention the promotion of minorclans (Samurai Security or whatever, suppose that's okay but could be better.) and superclans (FEAR, RAT, TD, JC, all the bad clans that virtually everyone agrees is bad lined right up on the default Groups page!)...

No real mention of any current Superpowerclans (WIJ, FC) or powerclans (VAK, VOID, TGI, etc.) anywhere, it's always "FEAR is best because FEAR has money and members!" (Which is the most incorrect statement to ever exist, based on average member, raid wins, war wins, who they warred against, development team, everything. The correct 'best' superclan would be Arke when it launches, based on it's tech, but inb4UnclearTermed).


Will there really be some other way to bring back the spark clans had 4-5 years ago?

Back when good clans were recognized as good, everyone everywhere including outside the clan world called FEAR and RAT and whatever bad, we had leaders like Grand Admiral Jacob Evans of Frostaria post-RAT-bad-era, and a more through recognition of what makes a clan good, rather than "have a name, have membrs, raid people and declare autowin!!!!!!! u r mastr ledr!!!!" which is implied so much from various sources.

The real problem is that ROBLOX's kiddie community, which is invasive and wants to control everything, is now attacking the clan world.

Why?

Because there never was any administrative involvement with how clans work at all, not as a primary source but as reinforcement to what already exists.

This is why LMaDing is still around, and works to some extent (Blog post about how to trade and make money, which kept the idiot kids who knew nothing out and led them to failure, and the legitimate kids who were interested to join the LMaD community, 2 years later becoming some of the most rich people on ROBLOX.), this is why game development seems to always stick around (Essentially every post ever.), and back in 2009/10, this is why clans worked for that brief period (Group update logs).

Children cannot become the next ISOLAYTOR, the next Vaktus, the next ColourTheory, if all that is ever mentioned to them is "do this and act like every other minor clan out there!!!!" They're being directed to you either be a developer (.1 - .2% actually do), a LMaDer (10% or so, by my guess), or you quit (Like 90%).

We no longer have developers, which are being terminated every other day, or quit and now going after DevEx money, or simply being never recognized.

We no longer really have a clan world anymore with any kind of support - the stuff that held it together for so long (or really for 2 years) is now falling apart and if there isn't an update or something to reinforce it soon, the whole thing will collapse and all we'll have is a bunch of kids getting each other terminated using poison robux and whining over about every single thing, driving the current clan community out to some other product because clans are no longer interesting.


The actual clan community has shunk from thousands to merely about 200 active people who still believe we might have a future.

I really hope we can bring that back.



tl;dr:
clans are dying because there's nothing new going on and kids are brining the concept in the wrong direction because they don't understand why powerclans that are successful work.

- Breekahn Brizon
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ShadowForged is not online. ShadowForged
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27 Sep 2014 02:55 PM
I agree, but it is more like 25-50% of the intelligent community, half of clanners are idiotic

The phantom of the opera is there in my mind...
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