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Re: Why all this controversy for Murder games in ROBLOX:

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Am4uryXp is not online. Am4uryXp
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03 Sep 2014 09:40 PM
This thread will teach you about:
Where the Murder games come from
What's the Murder game mode about
Why is it a big deal
Why Clone, Nikilis, and Loleris are fighting for popularity
Why players hate it
And my opinion

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First let me explain the story from the start

Garry's Mod, The physics sandbox has the gamemode ''Murder''. The gamemode is about players disguised as characters with greek alphabet names, these characters have 3 roles.

Those roles are:
Bystander, Bystander (with a secret gun) , And the murderer.

And what they do:

Bystander: the normal player that is on the round to help the Bystander with the secret gun to kill the murderer, to witness his crimes, basically

Bystander with a secret gun: He has a secret gun to kill the Murderer, this gun has only 1 shot per clip, so the murderer has an actual chance to win the run between a bullet and the ''sheriff''

Murderer: Equipped with a Knife, his objective is to kill everyone and don't get killed/caught by the bystanders, One hit kill, Extra walk speed and Ability to throw knifes (but you have to pick them up)

The game mode is really fun, but really buggy and lagged with more than 12 people in the same server.

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We all know CloneTrooper1019

He's a developer that makes Garry'smod gamemodes inside ROBLOX (yet he won the ''Most Creative Game 2013'' award with his ''Stalker'' game)

Well, Obviously, after seeing tons of people playing it, he decided to recreate Murder inside ROBLOX with lots of features, including a catalog to customize everything you want

The development of this game was REALLY heavy, and he took a while to release it.

Here's where Nikilis comes in

Nikilis hits ROBLOX in the face with a simple version of Murder.
This game was ''perfect'' at the time it was released, everyone liked to play it because somehow it was more entertaining than the original Murder.

After Nikilis hit a high amount of visits, His game was mentioned on the blog at least 5 times, getting him even more visits,

FINALLY
CloneTrooper1019 finished his Murder game, but well. Everyone thought he copied Nikilis, And that's why his game is not so popular, even though its like an exact replica of the Original Murder, with more features

Now, Loleris joins the game

Loleris hits ROBLOX front page with his ''The Mad Murderer'' game that becomes famous in April 2014.
His game was ''brilliant'' referring to the blog

Obviously, the other 2 developers didn't like that someone steals their spotlight in less than a few months

That's a really big point in our story

Because Loleris ''teased'' Clone with that he ''was creating his own Murder game.''
At the time Clone thought he was just joking about creating it.

He showed Clone these nice knife animations he created fluidly from code and Clone thought they were neat. However, Clone thought he was just going to go through the same problems Clone went through when Clone launched his Murder game against Nikilis.

But PLOT TWIST

Now the Murder Genre is infamous on ROBLOX thanks to the huge amount of Murder games made.

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What we can love/hate between those 3 great games?

Murder Mystery: Nikilis version of Murder. Well, It was the first murder game launched that became popular, at the time it was like the closest thing a ROBLOX game can get to Garry'smod Murder
Even though the gameplay was laggy and full of exploiters, It was fun to play just to laugh or enjoying a free time with your friends

Murder: Clone's version of Murder, We expected something different, clone, We all know your game was supposed to be the ''Best looking murder game'' in ROBLOX, but in fact, It has no originality. same as Nikilis. They were taken from a game and basically you didn't add anything new, except for the neat menu with really good features. It's a great game.

You really nailed it, But you were the right man, in the right place, but IN THE WRONG TIME.

I got to admit, next time, add effort and originality to make your own game modes
Who knows?
You could make your own game mode and it might become popular in other Online games.

The Mad Murderer: MAD STUDIO's version of Murder.

Loleris, your games were always TF2 themed, and for some unknown reason, It's not funny but people like it. Yeah, great animations, a nice way to attract players to play, because nowdays ROBLOX you don't look at the gameplay, you look at how realistic the game is.

Your error was to ''make games in a week to jump on a bandwagon of profit'', but that's something you don't care about, right?

Creating expensive gamepasses and using DEAD memes is also something you shouldn't do.

If it was only a joke, you made the players thought you were serious about this.

No wonder why the game has too many visits, It might be of the nice looking thumbnails you call updates? It's an update, but players think it's a in-game update

What happens when a player runs out of credits? Nice tactic to make them buy 1000 credits to use on Knife textures even though they don't do anything, except to show how rich you are.

Or just use radios to hear something loudy near players so they would rage

Badges, hmm.... If a player wins a badge obviously they should get something other 9999 people can have. yeah.

Another error is the LACK of maps

What about the gameplay?

Do you enjoy seeing people playing on the same map over and over with new gamemodes that are really hard to play because of how tight the map is?

I understand, but hey, you don't make the maps, millions of your ''fans'' are out there making really good maps for you, but you don't add them.

Learn something from Clonetrooper1019, he adds user made content to his game

Or learn something about Nikilis, he makes a game that it might not be very well detailed, but it's really fun to play.

Or learn something about the creator of the original Garry's mod murderer and create something original from other genre.

I'm not telling you what to do, Clone, Nikilis, and Loleris
It's my opinion about your 3 games that really made a BIG controversy in the ROBLOX forums, comments, games, blogs, etc...

Now an advice

Nikilis: Maybe make new games? compete with the other 2 developers, I'm sure you can create something funny without needing to add dead memes

Clone: Your murder game is really good, it has the potential and all. Try putting EVEN more effort on it, try adding lots of features on tiny things, so players can see your hard work, and not just play a simple game mode

and Loleris: If you were searching for Fame/Money, you have it.
Now the thing you need to learn is to LISTEN to them
If they're saying your game is ''bad'' then it might be for something...
(I'm not saying its bad, its an example)

What do you care about?

Do you care about your temporal fame that will run out because the community that is IN YOUR DOMAIN
thinks you don't care about them?

or

Do you care about your eternal fame that leaves a mark, where the fans are really happy with the awesome updates you make?

It's quality not quantity.

Think about these points and reply your opinions

Don't get off topic or this thread that took me a while to type will get deleted qq
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Am4uryXp is not online. Am4uryXp
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03 Sep 2014 09:41 PM
NO TL;DR ALLOWED

please go away if you're lazy to read
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Pinkpinkmint12 is not online. Pinkpinkmint12
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03 Sep 2014 09:41 PM
tl;dr

- Awesome ROBLOXian Of ATR
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Am4uryXp is not online. Am4uryXp
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03 Sep 2014 09:48 PM
Wow a really good analysis about this topic and players don't read them just because they're lazy to read 1271 words and 7084 characters
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Am4uryXp is not online. Am4uryXp
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03 Sep 2014 09:55 PM
Nope, I won't let this thread die

Bump
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03 Sep 2014 09:56 PM
tl;dr
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Am4uryXp is not online. Am4uryXp
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03 Sep 2014 09:57 PM
Yeah, it was funny the first 2 times guys, it's annoying now
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XxDemonWolf200xX is not online. XxDemonWolf200xX
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03 Sep 2014 09:59 PM
Read the whole thing

11/10
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03 Sep 2014 10:00 PM
Bumping


Too radical for an education
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Tyscott12 is not online. Tyscott12
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03 Sep 2014 10:00 PM
I already knew everything about this but it's well written. If only the TMM fans had the patience to sit down and read this.


siggys are dead
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legobotron is not online. legobotron
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03 Sep 2014 10:00 PM
My gosh this is long
That's all I'm sayin'

Last sentence this is.
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Tyscott12 is not online. Tyscott12
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03 Sep 2014 10:01 PM
This is probably the best formatted post I've seen yet.


siggys are dead
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DeviousDeviation is not online. DeviousDeviation
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03 Sep 2014 10:07 PM
11/10

guise i have a siggy
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iNickk is not online. iNickk
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03 Sep 2014 10:08 PM
Interesting.

My personal opinion is:The mad murderer is my favorite murder game. I don't like how he just came in and stole the spotlight, but it has some of its own features that the other murder games don't have

Murder by clonetrooper is well scripted, my second favorite. It's got an actually spooky experience.

Murder mystery by nikilis, well, I liked it at first. But a lot of simple maps, slow knives and glitched knives, and it was just really simple. It didn't interest me.

As far as originality, no one gets it.

• i am ur mom go to bed •
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Am4uryXp is not online. Am4uryXp
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03 Sep 2014 10:11 PM
I agree,

I know they just made a replica of a game that is popular

and after that they started to fight for nothing, seriously

You guys got 3 great games in there

To get your fame you don't have to ruin the spotlight of other people
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Am4uryXp is not online. Am4uryXp
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03 Sep 2014 10:13 PM
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BaconParadox is not online. BaconParadox
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03 Sep 2014 10:19 PM
Just had to say this

"However, Clone thought he was just going to go through the same problems Clone went through when Clone launched his Murder game against Nikilis. "

Clone thought he was just going to go through the same problems Clone went through when Clone launched his Murder game against Nikilis. Too much clones. Somethings not right with that sentence
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Am4uryXp is not online. Am4uryXp
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03 Sep 2014 10:20 PM
Oh damn, didn't notice
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iNickk is not online. iNickk
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03 Sep 2014 10:21 PM
I'll fix that sentence.

Clone thought he was just going to go through the game problems he went through when he launched his Murder game against Nikilis.

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03 Sep 2014 10:24 PM
In my opinion, the reason that TMM is the most popular is simple: it is polished and easy to play. There is very little lag with the knives and guns, the maps are simple but smooth and fast-paced. A player can simply join a server and get stabbin/shootin/dyin within a minute or two. Out of the three, TMM has these qualities, so it attracts players more. IMO, the only reason people continue to play it is because it is the best of the three main games that are have some semblence of attraction to them. R2D is a better game than TMM, but R2D makes people angry and can isn't the easiest game to play, so TMM wins over that. Loleris is an idea stealer, but he is skilled at coding so although his ideas aren't original, he can get away with making better versions of popular games. The only game he failed at copying was the Stalker (hi darkness!), but that was because the original Stalker game was already really polished. Anyways, this is just my 2 cents.
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BaconParadox is not online. BaconParadox
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03 Sep 2014 10:25 PM
First, TMM isn't polished. And his versions aren't better. Just more momentized
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Am4uryXp is not online. Am4uryXp
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03 Sep 2014 10:28 PM
@iNickk

Thanks

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TMM is not very polished

I agree on the coding part
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Am4uryXp is not online. Am4uryXp
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03 Sep 2014 10:38 PM
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Nrgzane512 is not online. Nrgzane512
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03 Sep 2014 10:45 PM
Nikkilis is trying too hard to make his game. He keeps making daily updates and that backfired.


i live in a tiny box k deal with it
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Tyscott12 is not online. Tyscott12
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03 Sep 2014 10:46 PM
Darkness was actually different in gameplay in a lot of cases and a little bit different. The Stalker still wins.

TMM is just a complete, flat-out, copy.


siggys are dead
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