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Re: The Real Reason Behind Price-Floors

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7Dimensions is not online. 7Dimensions
Joined: 11 May 2014
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07 Jun 2014 08:51 AM
I'll be trying to explain you here why roblox has implemented price-floors to the items made by users. This may be not the real reason, but it is my supposition, what I think is the reason. Roblox moderators may delete this thread whenever they want, I'm just trying to say in a way to never ask again to remove the price floors. Here it is.

So approximately a few weeks before roblox add price-floors, a guy that I knew under BlackHatRoblox had created a bot allowing him to make as much as he want tickets. The system was pretty simple, but yet pretty genius. It wouldn't work today because price-floors were added. This may seems stupid, but yes. Here's how the bot worked.

The bot started creating accounts crazily, at an incredible rate, and since an account starts with 10 tickets straight on it, guess what he did. The account was buying one of his T-shirt at 10 tickets, giving him 7 tickets on his Builders Club account. This happened at an incredible rate, he was selling for above three thousands T-shirt each day, making him everyday the top seller out of there, while he was profiting of this flaw.

Since you guys know the method, let me remember you the guy was banned quickly, without any warning from the roblox team, and he, in fact, really deserved it.

Now where I really wanted to get is at the fact that price floors cannot be removed, they just can't. Again, he would start profiting of the economy and creating dozen of accounts for no purpose. Plus, many many people would start doing this again, has this method was starting to get known. People aren't stupid, all those kids trying to find a flaw in the system just to profit a tiny bit of the economy while not knowing that roblox team are not idiots. It doesn't seem clear for everybody, but guys, we all know what we do and roblox has filters that will detect your awkward stuff.

Anyway guys, just stop crying about that and start saving..

7Dimensions,
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Kaguraofmermaidheel is not online. Kaguraofmermaidheel
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07 Jun 2014 08:55 AM
FINALLY SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS!!!!!

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VFXed is not online. VFXed
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07 Jun 2014 08:57 AM
This makes sense, but it seems to be a bit unlikely. But I like conspiracies, so I'll buy it.
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Robloxian2457 is not online. Robloxian2457
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07 Jun 2014 09:00 AM
Yeah, I bet people who hate the price floors support the bot or were created by the bot.
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Ryneliel is not online. Ryneliel
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07 Jun 2014 09:23 AM
I suppose this is a good reason for the Price Floors.
However, it just seems like no one is buying anything anymore, since everything costs too much to them, therefore no one is making money cause no one is buying their stuff.
Even when you advertise your item, seriously only 13 people click on it and out of those 13 only one or two people buy it. Even when you bid 1000 tix on the ad!
It's why I don't really like the price floor. I like to sell my stuff for less so more people will want to buy it. I don't like having to over-charge people.
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TestNanotch is not online. TestNanotch
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07 Jun 2014 09:24 AM
Watch lottery rage in this thread.
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alfieq is not online. alfieq
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07 Jun 2014 09:28 AM
Now I know why price floor was implemented. However, the cost of the shirt/pant are quite high actually. If the moderators want to prevent those bot-buy-spam-to-make-themselves-stinky-rich, make sure it is also reasonable for buyers too while being prevented by bot-ing advantage.

Having 100 tixs per shirt/pant is roughly more hurting than it was really OK for everyone. If every new accounts started at 10 tixs, why won't moderators make price floor at least 30-50 tixs instead 10 times of the original price? It was a reasonable price and doesn't spark any nonsense rebellion filled with hates, swears or something at this Forum.

Also, moderators has lack on real truth or problems from implementing before it was completely updated. For example when reading on Moderator's Price Floor review/blog before it was updated.

First, three of those reasons doesn't make any sense for most readers at least. Giving rewards to clothing makers? Getting a good quality shirts/pants for buyers? I know that's just rude, but 60% of each reason are just completely wrong, leaving only 40% are true.

If they have trouble with player's exploits. They should telling the players a very good explanation(s) why they need to implementing a price floor. So, even a basic player(s) will understand and easily to adapt in this situations without saying "YAaAaah, I hat3 prioce floorz, removd et naw", causing even more problems. Leaving only a few haters (well, at least).

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zombieslayer9901 is not online. zombieslayer9901
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07 Jun 2014 09:46 AM
It seems beleivable actually, whoever did this, go screw yourself. xD
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7Dimensions is not online. 7Dimensions
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07 Jun 2014 09:53 AM
@alfieq,
The reason why they set it that high is to give them a better reason I guess, they wanted the industry to become, let's say, more convincing and economically advantageous to brands, making clothing a bit more fancier and prestigious. Plus, it gives clothing's maker and customers more attentive to good clothing. Sadly, except brands like Kestrel and Tiger, not a lot of clothes seller pursued their job, as people were not buying anymore. Economy never follow what it is supposed to do. But we cannot change anything, what is done is done, all of that should be past.

@zombieslayer9901,
It was a matter of time, it would have been done another day by another exploiter.
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Viver is not online. Viver
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07 Jun 2014 10:22 AM
Just because they can't be removed, doesn't mean they can't be lowered.

"But we cannot change anything"
Yes, because nobody can ever make a difference, ever.

"what is done is done"
What is done can also be undone.

"It was a matter of time, it would have been done another day by another exploiter"
Yes... And ROBLOX would've just banned their account or blocked their IP.

"Sadly, except brands like Kestrel and Tiger, not a lot of clothes seller pursued their job, as people were not buying anymore. Economy never follow what it is supposed to do."
Actually, it did. ROBLOX was just trying to help large companies because it was incredibly easy to copy clothing. Small time companies got ****ed over in the process though.

"Plus, it gives clothing's maker and customers more attentive to good clothing."
Not really. A majority of clothing makers went out of business, and customers didn't buy very much for months afterward.
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7Dimensions is not online. 7Dimensions
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07 Jun 2014 10:31 AM
Alright mate.

'Just because they can't be removed, doesn't mean they can't be lowered.'
Everything could be lowered, including tomatoes, computer parts, whatever, but we call that economy.

'Yes, because nobody can ever make a difference, ever.'
developer.roblox.com. That will give you access to real suggestions.

'What is done can also be undone.'
That seems so unprofessional. One of the most important thing is life is keeping your point whatever happens. If roblox wanted to apply price-floors, they did it and will keep it like that.

'Yes... And ROBLOX would've just banned their account or blocked their IP.'
First of all, ROBLOX doesn't IP ban people. It takes about 5 minutes to change of IP address. Next thing, it would be useless and a serious waste of time to ban everyone using it. Wouldn't it be? They should aim on clearing the spam at ATR instead, right?

'Actually, it did. ROBLOX was just trying to help large companies because it was incredibly easy to copy clothing. Small time companies got ****ed over in the process though.'
Giving the monopoly to a few companies isn't what I consider a success

'Not really. A majority of clothing makers went out of business, and customers didn't buy very much for months afterward.'
I stated that a few lines above. Read please.
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QuakeEnhanced1 is not online. QuakeEnhanced1
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07 Jun 2014 10:38 AM
Or, it's just another gimmick for you to purchase Builder's Club faster.
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killerdrivercoollol is not online. killerdrivercoollol
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07 Jun 2014 10:40 AM
Well that makes more sense, even though maybe it's not true, but maybe it is. If only this guy never did that kind of hack, what an idiot. But the thing is, there could be a price floor, however, this price floor could be decreased to around 50-80 tickets, the hack would still not work, which would be better.
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PokeShadow77 is not online. PokeShadow77
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07 Jun 2014 10:56 AM
Interesting Story, but I would rather have some people getting unfair amounts of money (but not being the richest as 3000 x 7 is only 21000 tix), yet everyone will still be satisfied with the clothing prices then the Price Floor. That's just my own opinion though.

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7Dimensions is not online. 7Dimensions
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07 Jun 2014 04:23 PM
@PokeShadow77, it's still a way to earn money freely.. 21k tickets each day for a year results in 7M tickets, which is a pretty amazing amount.
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PokeShadow77 is not online. PokeShadow77
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07 Jun 2014 05:02 PM
@7Dimesions That's certainly true, but the vast majority wouldn't care (mostly only the wealthy people would) as they're too busy shopping for clothes in paradise.

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7Dimensions is not online. 7Dimensions
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07 Jun 2014 05:30 PM
I'm not sure if I get what you mean..

In fact, it isn't a lot of money, but it could possibly make the economy crash in fact..
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7Dimensions is not online. 7Dimensions
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09 Jun 2014 08:24 PM
Going to bring up this post.
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zachzach74 is not online. zachzach74
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09 Jun 2014 08:31 PM
Can they not make a new bot that logs into hundreds of accounts every day for 10 days, then buys an item for 100 tickets? This would give them the same amount of money, albeit only once every 10 days.
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tery215 is not online. tery215
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09 Jun 2014 08:35 PM
Him?

If the price floor was made to stop bots, why not make a better system (IP bans for over-registering/logging in) to stop bots?
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7Dimensions is not online. 7Dimensions
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09 Jun 2014 08:36 PM
Would be possible, but really more complex. As the bot was generating random names using two words from an array and a number between 1-999, it would have been a bit complex to save their account information. So not really.
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7Dimensions is not online. 7Dimensions
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09 Jun 2014 08:37 PM
If the price floor was made to stop bots, why not make a better system (IP bans for over-registering/logging in) to stop bots?

As I stated, I takes around five minutes to change an IP.
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zachzach74 is not online. zachzach74
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09 Jun 2014 08:41 PM
Can anyone here think of a legitimate reason for logging onto more than 10 or so accounts a day? The reasons for doing so are usually unruly:

- Ban evasion
- Money generation
- Stuffing groups with alts to inflate the group's member count
- Place visit generation

However, this is not to say we should block a single IP address from doing so. I know I have several other Roblox players in the same house as me so there may be another way around this. Disabling account creation can be bypassed easily, so can an IP ban. Maybe we could work another way around it.
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lottery248 is not online. lottery248
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09 Jun 2014 08:45 PM
Half agreement.
I am not gonna suggest to remove the price floor again anymore, but lower it.
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7Dimensions is not online. 7Dimensions
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10 Jun 2014 08:12 PM
This is not our fault in a way. Roblox took a simple way by adding price floors. In a way, it isn't bad. Depends on your point of view honestly.
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