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DrMerkwurdigliebe is not online. DrMerkwurdigliebe
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23 Aug 2014 12:31 PM
Why is it whenever I tell anyone I'm a conservative they react as if I had confessed to a crime? Why do people use neoliberal as an insult? This is mostly directed at the left.

It's not a crime to think differently, is it?

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ShawnGalamer is not online. ShawnGalamer
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23 Aug 2014 12:51 PM
Because conservatives are depicted as bible thumping pro-gun pro-life pro-traditional marriage scum bags
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DrMerkwurdigliebe is not online. DrMerkwurdigliebe
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23 Aug 2014 01:21 PM
I'm a libertarian conservative, agnostic, and I'm pro-choice, and pro-marrywhoeveryouwantsolongasitsahuman. And pro-legalization of everything. But I'm fiscally and economically conservative.
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DrMerkwurdigliebe is not online. DrMerkwurdigliebe
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23 Aug 2014 01:22 PM
And it's the last part leftists read, but they read it as "I am a potential war criminal and an aristocrat who wants to nuke poor people".
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Stonixx is not online. Stonixx
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23 Aug 2014 01:25 PM
>"libertarian conservative"

Contradiction

Libertarian capitalist is a better word for it, but conservatives are authoritarian.
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DrMerkwurdigliebe is not online. DrMerkwurdigliebe
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23 Aug 2014 01:26 PM
Yeah, I guess. Labels. But still, if I call a communist something negative I'll surely get flamed. When they insult us, it's a good thing that they did.
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DrMerkwurdigliebe is not online. DrMerkwurdigliebe
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23 Aug 2014 01:28 PM
My point is, that today we are supposed to be ashamed of believing in any ideology that isn't left-wing.
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Stonixx is not online. Stonixx
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23 Aug 2014 01:29 PM
>"if I call a communist something negative I'll surely get flamed"
>is in america

I'm a communist, and I get flamed 24/7.
When I insult a conservative or a capitalist in general (even though I just argue my position), I get flamed even more.
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DrMerkwurdigliebe is not online. DrMerkwurdigliebe
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23 Aug 2014 01:32 PM
I'm not an american, and I don't live in America either. I'm from Argentina, and whenever someone doesn't agree with the left they call him/her a neoliberal, which they equate to a criminal.
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Stonixx is not online. Stonixx
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23 Aug 2014 01:35 PM
Hm
Let's switch countries pls
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DrMerkwurdigliebe is not online. DrMerkwurdigliebe
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23 Aug 2014 01:38 PM
yes come to socialist paradise.

we have inflation and they won't let us buy dollars to save our money from it.

also no jobs.
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Stonixx is not online. Stonixx
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23 Aug 2014 01:40 PM
>"Socialist"
>country has a money system
>cant be socialist
>just uninformed liberals running it

nevermind
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DrMerkwurdigliebe is not online. DrMerkwurdigliebe
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23 Aug 2014 01:44 PM
but they said it is and that we are so happy...
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DrMerkwurdigliebe is not online. DrMerkwurdigliebe
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23 Aug 2014 01:45 PM
Nvm going off track here. But yeah, I guess no one's ever going to answer my question.
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Stonixx is not online. Stonixx
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23 Aug 2014 01:47 PM
>"It's not a crime to think differently, is it? "

Not really
Unless you're living in a police state
Which we all are
so yeah
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breuning is not online. breuning
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23 Aug 2014 02:00 PM
cause neoliberalism is bad
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breuning is not online. breuning
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23 Aug 2014 02:09 PM
http://youtu.be/Wdw0T5Q66tc?t=5m17s
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DrMerkwurdigliebe is not online. DrMerkwurdigliebe
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23 Aug 2014 02:13 PM
I can't say anything against such strong arguments. Neoliberalism is bad. And Jon Stewart makes fun of the right.

Ok I converted I'm a leftist now.
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catman450 is not online. catman450
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23 Aug 2014 02:22 PM
Most conservatives don't act like Glen Beck...
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breuning is not online. breuning
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23 Aug 2014 02:25 PM
neoliberalism is good for a few guys
socialism is good for a lot of guys

easy to decide
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DrMerkwurdigliebe is not online. DrMerkwurdigliebe
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23 Aug 2014 02:31 PM
socialism makes everyone poor so everyone is equal.

neoliberalism makes a few very rich, a lot more or less comfortable, and a lot of people poor

i'd rather choose the system where at least some have a good standard of living
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breuning is not online. breuning
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23 Aug 2014 02:33 PM
you don't get it.
in socialism there is no poor.
there is no money.
there aren't these old materialistic moral values
it is a very different system that you simply cannot compare or try to fit into the boundaries of the capitalist system
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DrMerkwurdigliebe is not online. DrMerkwurdigliebe
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23 Aug 2014 02:41 PM
i'm talking in practice, not in theory. because in theory capitalism will make everyone equal in the long run, and we both know that's not true.

in practice, in all countries that tried to be socialist or communist, the standard of living was poor, with a few short periods of relative prosperity. housing was of poor quality (you can see most socialist housing projects are now very decayed or abandoned), public transport was outdated and inefficient when compared with capitalist countries, and there was barely any private transport. and those are just two examples.

as i said, practice, not theory.
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breuning is not online. breuning
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23 Aug 2014 02:42 PM
thats because socialism only works globally and there are other factors, for example if the government is authoritarian, then it will fail too.
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DrMerkwurdigliebe is not online. DrMerkwurdigliebe
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23 Aug 2014 02:46 PM
the only way to tell people "hey, give up your house and your car so someone you don't know on the other end of the country can be better off" is by forcing them. or decades and decades of re-education. so in practice, it has to be authoritarian.

and corruption. there's corruption in both systems, but in capitalism you wouldn't have to bribe some government official to do things like be allowed to buy a car or have your plumbing fixed quickly.
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