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Re: Improve security so people can't hack as easily

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Floyd3000 is not online. Floyd3000
Joined: 14 Apr 2012
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17 Aug 2014 06:44 PM
I have lots of memories of hackers and I'm sure you do too. Roblox, please Improve security so people can't hack as easily. Once I was on Welcome To Roblox Building and a hacker walked up to me with a taser and said, "YYER UNDDER ARREST" and tasered me.
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Floyd3000 is not online. Floyd3000
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17 Aug 2014 06:46 PM
Who agrees?
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Ulrakid11 is not online. Ulrakid11
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17 Aug 2014 06:46 PM
It's not that easy.

~Percussionist Skills~
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Floyd3000 is not online. Floyd3000
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17 Aug 2014 06:55 PM
It's hard to do, I agree but instead of making dumb animation they could be doing this.
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Southernization is not online. Southernization
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17 Aug 2014 06:57 PM
it's not hacking its exploiting
it pisses me off when people use them interchangeably when they are 2 completely different things
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Bestbuddyma12 is not online. Bestbuddyma12
Joined: 27 Sep 2012
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17 Aug 2014 07:37 PM
WNTS.

You should state how to fix it.



So I was watching "The Matrix" on a plane today, and you can guess what happened when I started screaming "FLY NEO FLY!"
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Firewarrior321 is not online. Firewarrior321
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17 Aug 2014 07:41 PM
WNTS.
*Exploiting

>I will rip out your duodenum
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Bergan is not online. Bergan
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17 Aug 2014 07:59 PM
The problem is, the things that are used to exploit get updated too. Not just Roblox. This means that if Roblox were to patch an exploit, the program used to exploit would eventually be able to get around it due to an update.
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builderman4005 is not online. builderman4005
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17 Aug 2014 08:01 PM
He said to IMPROVE security, not REMOVE ALL EXPLOITS.
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Bergan is not online. Bergan
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17 Aug 2014 08:06 PM
I know that. What I'm saying is, though Roblox can IMPROVE security, the people making the exploit programs can IMPROVE the exploits too.
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builderman4005 is not online. builderman4005
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17 Aug 2014 08:11 PM
I didn't say that to you, I said the people that want how to fix the exploits.
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Bergan is not online. Bergan
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17 Aug 2014 08:27 PM
Oh. Sorry. I wasn't so sure.
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slmnemo is not online. slmnemo
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17 Aug 2014 08:46 PM
OP should read http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=143875447 It doesn't detail how to stop all exploits, but most definitely tells how to stop skids who just rely on leaks or cheeky client alterations.
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Dexterite is not online. Dexterite
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17 Aug 2014 08:47 PM
The problem with ROBLOX not allowing .dll injections is that they're also preventing the modding community of ROBLOX (And yes, it does exist, a bit extinguished, but it does exist.) from improving the client on top of the ROBLOX patches.

Let's be honest - no matter how pretty or nice you make ROBLOX - it still has it's limits, and bugs, etc. etc.

The ROBLOX modding community when it was alive ( 2008 - 2011) actually created Unofficial ROBLOX patches, and ported some things like the ENBSeries to ROBLOX, allowing a more immersive and wonderful graphical experience.

Ever since ROBLOX freaks out over .dll files in the client, these kinds of patches are now impossible, making the only way to improve ROBLOX's lighting, or improve reflections, and water, etc. etc, by simply going to a new game altogether.

Yeah, there will be script kiddies who use .dll files to steal places - but there's also the fact that let's be honest, ROBLOX can't please everyone.

They're just a decently sized company, with wonderful developers, who have to balance incredible PC graphics with rudimentary rendering engines from incompetent companies like Apple and somewhat Google,

I really wish there was a way to officially mod ROBLOX so that they won't have to create vanilla X graphics to please our eyes, or simply everything into puny 512 x 512 textures (why you do this man D: )

Yeah, I want 16384 x 16384 textures too, (And I have enough VRAM to support it, so y u no do this )

But they have to keep the mobile users (Why are you playing ROBLOX mobile for... You should only use mobile for website features...) happy even with their limited (lol weak) capability on that platform.

ROBLOX is a User-Generated MMO Sandbox (A bit like Neverwinter), but the fact that ROBLOX is an MMO is preventing the modding community from really doing that much.

ROBLOX isn't like Blizzard (Who instantly bans you from all Blizzard services... if you open their .dds files? lol) or ZeniMax ("Let's create an MMO that has a modding community! AND THEN BAN ALL THE MODDERS!") or ArenaNet (Don't really have anything to say about them, but they probably freak out if you go into the installation folders too)

ROBLOX so far has seemed cool about the subject, but only cares if a .dll is involved.

To be honest, is it that bad if X user steals a place?

There needs to be something that only detects a .dll exploit, and leaves things like the ENBSeries alone.

ROBLOX needs to let more things be client-sided, rather than server-sided, so that we can go and make ROBLOX as detailed as we can without costing the mobile users a lot of crashes because they have to run the same game.

- Breekahn Brizon





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- Breekahn Brizon
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slmnemo is not online. slmnemo
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17 Aug 2014 08:49 PM
Dex, have you ever considered writing a modding support thread, because I'm sure the dedicated would be all over it.
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Dexterite is not online. Dexterite
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17 Aug 2014 08:53 PM
Indeed, although knowing a lot of the RBXDev people, chances are it would be ignored anyway, as ROBLOX is busy sorting out their suggestions rather than the overall community's suggestions.

Only place to get moderator's attention is ATR and/or RT.

Since I have yet to get into RBXDev myself (They only want game developers), it's likely my opinion would have been ignored anyway.

- Breekahn Brizon
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ConvexHero is not online. ConvexHero
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17 Aug 2014 09:24 PM
I'm a new Roblox employee. My first task is actually to patch up some of these security issues. You are right -- some of these issues don't have both easy and permanent fixes. Dedicated exploiters will figure them out. Thus far I've been starting with the more widespread exploits.

Anyways, if you want to report an exploit and don't have access to developer forums, you can always message me. Keep in mind that my effectiveness is really based on details. Messages like "someone speedhacked" isn't nearly as useful as "open cheat engine and ...".

Oh, I'll try to get my admin badge set up on Monday. Apparently they didn't set that up on my account yet.
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slmnemo is not online. slmnemo
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17 Aug 2014 09:32 PM
!Convex
Is it possible to make the physics/movement calculations serversided?
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Dexterite is not online. Dexterite
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17 Aug 2014 11:10 PM
Oh, uh, hi.


On a side topic, I guess C&G would like an admin to come by every once in a while.
Still a bit lonely.


):


Anyway, yeah, Support until it conflicts with adding more graphics to ROBLOX, I suppose.

- Breekahn Brizon
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Floyd3000 is not online. Floyd3000
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18 Aug 2014 08:47 AM
I agree it's a hard mission to fix exploits. And, every day, people will find new exploits. But if Roblox tries hard enough. Belives enough. Anything can happen. Roblox has shown us, we can build all most anything in a game if we belive. Now it's there turn to belive.
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scrin445 is not online. scrin445
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18 Aug 2014 08:50 AM
Except trying harder would be a waste as people would just find another loophole, throwing that hard determination into the bin.
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Floyd3000 is not online. Floyd3000
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18 Aug 2014 09:00 AM
But if they do good enough, people will have less loop holes.
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scrin445 is not online. scrin445
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18 Aug 2014 09:02 AM
Less loopholes?

Yeah, but how are you supposed to know a loophole? Can't fix something if you don't know what to fix.
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Floyd3000 is not online. Floyd3000
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18 Aug 2014 09:13 AM
If I was Roblox I would make accounts that look like random peoples accounts and spy on people that were said to exploit. Then try to make friends with them if they did. Then still hidden, asking them how they did it, once the hacker trusts them. Then, knowing how they did it banning them after fixing the exploit.
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zombieslayer9901 is not online. zombieslayer9901
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18 Aug 2014 09:13 AM
Well, they could do something like google has, as in having another pass word they have to go through if they try to get on your account on another device.
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