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Re: HHCL is more of a sport/hockey league than anything else

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JohnHHCL is not online. JohnHHCL
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12 Aug 2014 05:35 PM
tl;dr why HHCL is more of a sport/hockey game than RNHL addressing every argument and placing valid facts/information

Hello I am JohnHHCL, founder of HHCL on ROBLOX

Don't read all of this if you can't accept the facts or already know why
Because it goes through every argument the RHLer's produce

FACT: Scripted hockey is more hockey than non-scripted hockey
and even more of a sport than non-scripted hockey as well.

The games are completely different and play differently
But its still undeniable that scripted is much more like hockey than unscripted
Scripted has the checking, poke-checks, fighting, penalties, dekes, accurate plays/passing, blocks, chips, catches, ice physics/skating, stamina/sprinting, benching/unbenching for stamina, advanced staff/admin commands for exact replication of real hockey (commands such as pen/player, unpen, set time, shootouts, etc)
Also not to mention the goalkeepers in scripted hockey which have advanced saves (spread eagles, twopad stacks, various standing saves, various butterfly saves, poke-checks, and even the option to drop the puck to the side if a player catches it)
The game itself has highly accurate script detection of calls, it knows exactly when to call icing penalties and offsides and even has delayed icing/offsides/penalties
Even accurate stats are recorded and uploaded to a network server that records all the data of each player. You can look up anybody in the hhcl and see his goals, assists, penalties, hits, saves, goals allowed, save percentage, and even leader boards for all of these
Not to mention the arenas are nicer in general than most non-scripted arenas and loaded on the spot, using scripting every stadium can be loaded all on a single server depending on what team is playing

That's not to say that non-scripted hockey is worse just because it doesnt have all of these, because it plays differently and isn't comparable
But its certainly more of a sport than non-scripted...

FACT: HHCL/PGHL games have a higher skill ceiling in general.
Now a lot of non-scripted hockey players think claiming it takes more skill is a valid reason why HHCL is bad or isn't a "sport" or why non-scripted is just better in general
Its not true that skill changes whether or not its better, Baumz could add raid bosses and RPG stats and make his game the hardest game in the world
it doesn't mean his game is better than non-scripted, all it means is that its less of a sport than non-scripted
Heres some evidence why its not true at all anyways
If you get a team of HHCL players who are competent enough to play in a non-scripted hockey league they could easily do it and be a potent team
If you get a team of non-scripted players who are competent enough to play in a Baumz hockey league chances are they'l become the edmonton oilers of pghl season 4, it was a team of non-scripted players that were absolutely terrible worst team in the league

When comparing the deking, shooting, and defensive abilities you have in scripted hockey you'll realize not only that the game is much more true to real hockey but also
You have the options of doing advanced handling with the puck true to real hockey, you have the option of crosschecking players, stick checking, or just straight up plowing into them at full force as well as punishment penalties for these
You can accurately aim your passes to make great plays
You can accurately aim to certain areas of the net for skill shots/snipes/spinoramas
You can actually control/handle the puck instead of just being forced to move in a single direction
That's not even half of the reasons you could list why the skill ceiling is higher as well

The average non-scripted player's response is "we can't aim where we shoot" or "our puck doesn't weld to our stick" and that somehow means their game is better in every way possible than non-scripted hockey
It doesn't
Not having the ability to aim where you shoot doesn't mean your game takes more skill at all... why would you even think that?
You basically just admitted your game is hugely luck/ROBLOX physics (god awful physics) based, you do a motion and you pray to the ROBLOX physics god that it shoots the puck where you wanted it to go
Which brings us to the next fact

FACT: Non-scripted hockey is much more luck based than scripted hockey.
You can "master" your puck shooting WASD motion but the truth is its still going to be majorly luck based
And the same for the "puck welding to stick" argument, the puck has to weld to the stick in order to give realistic gameplay true to real hockey because roblox physics arent good enough for that yet.
You're relying on terrible physics for the most basic hockey essentials, its not skill its luck, its outdated, and it isnt closer in any way to real hockey than scripted is
If you think the puck not welding to your stick makes your game more realistic, I have to ask does this mean you can control the puck? Can you do any handling with it at all? Are you forced to do ridiculous spin movements because of the way your sticks are angled because you can't control your sticks at all?

BTW I'm sure if the original hockey leagues of roblox could script, they would have made it so you could choose where you aim


FACT: The Majority of people that prefer non-scripted over scripted are veterans of non-scripted
They all started in the early days when there was no alternative
They "mastered" their "profession" and they hit the "skill cap" to it
They grew addicted to it then they grew nostalgic over time for it
They are a dying breed and they feel threatened and intimidated by the HHCL
Its already grown larger than any non-scripted league
The game itself has more entertainment for casuals than any of their leagues
Scripted is true hockey and the future of it for roblox
And I don't blame them for not being able to see that
Chances are if you actually were able to somehow enjoy non-scripted hockey back In the day you would be defending it as hard as they do now

The last argument that I didn't address yet is the "your community is worse than ours" argument
Because its the worst of them all
The only reason you should feel bothered by the community is if the staff of this community were making poor decisions, and the staff of scripted hockey rarely make bad decisions (with some exceptions like the ones who frequent pickup games)
They are all trustworthy handpicked people who realize they have an important job and if they screw up they will get it taken away
If you have a problem with the community that doesn't involve the staff then you need to realize
You're either really pretentious or looking for bad excuses why your league is better
Its ROBLOX and everybody is as stupid and as annoying as you, every community on ROBLOX is bad
Just like your community being unreasonable and feeling threatened by threads on a minor forum of a game website because MY HOCKEY LEAGUE IS BETTER THAN YOURS
If you're getting harassed and cyber bullied its your own fault for letting it get to your head, you're probably a moron that lives ROBLOX

HHCL isn't the perfect hockey game, it has tons of flaws mostly with ROBLOX physics and connection lag which can easily ruin games of it. Many immature players have the ability to take over practice and game servers and abuse it on people that they know can't or won't report them. Many captains of the league refuse to try rookies out and don't treat them like human beings at all either. I'd say your chances of actually getting a tryout from some teams can be extremely low depending on the look of your character because many judge books by their covers. Other captains will just ignore you no matter how many times you ask for no reason at all.

But Baumz tries to control this and does his best to keep decent people in captain slots

Can non-scripted league players admit the massive flaws in their games as well as the holes in their arguments is a better question though. I probably won't be reading many replies to this but I'm guessing its mainly going to be RHLers doing there little greentext arrows on a couple sentences in the entire post and trying hard to find flaws in them while ignoring every other fact I gave them
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camodude10 is not online. camodude10
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12 Aug 2014 05:35 PM
please dont tell me you actually expect people to read this

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Aidsaids is not online. Aidsaids
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12 Aug 2014 05:36 PM
get out
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nomerdude is not online. nomerdude
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12 Aug 2014 05:37 PM
tl;dr


hhcl is for 9 year olds and its easy af and rhl is way more harder as well as you have no idea what you're talking about
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CheeseyMacral is not online. CheeseyMacral
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12 Aug 2014 05:39 PM
1,438 words of bias and garbage

go away

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deathrange07 is not online. deathrange07
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12 Aug 2014 05:39 PM
is their one guaranteed way to score in real life? no.
is their one guaranteed way to score in rhl, rnhl, etc.? no.
is their one guaranteed way to score in hhcl? yes. in fact, there's multiple.

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nomerdude is not online. nomerdude
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12 Aug 2014 05:40 PM
i am tempted and more then able to disclaim every fact he's stated towards his argument
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IcyFires is not online. IcyFires
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12 Aug 2014 05:40 PM
>hhcl
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HoboFromChicago is not online. HoboFromChicago
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12 Aug 2014 05:42 PM
This is roblox. Nothing is a sport. This is a virtual game. Why do you feel the need to post this?
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dbgt123 is online. dbgt123
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12 Aug 2014 06:15 PM
i love this guy


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padam11 is not online. padam11
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12 Aug 2014 06:22 PM
and not to mention the gigantic hockey ball.

"Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it."
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eelee345 is not online. eelee345
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12 Aug 2014 06:50 PM
This addressed all the major arguments and was truly well said.
To all those lazy people who won't even read it, don't even reply to this.
Read it fully or your comment isn't worth reading.
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seanmannion is not online. seanmannion
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12 Aug 2014 06:51 PM
u do know rnhl died a year ago
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eelee345 is not online. eelee345
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12 Aug 2014 06:51 PM
And to the guaranteed ways, that's the reason why Baumz made the alternative PGHL.
Your argument is invalid.
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rockstar7734 is not online. rockstar7734
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12 Aug 2014 06:52 PM
hhcl > rhl
this is coming from a SFer

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nonrugsalt is not online. nonrugsalt
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12 Aug 2014 07:06 PM
average age of HHCLers are 9
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BMLGUY is not online. BMLGUY
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12 Aug 2014 07:13 PM
"FACT: Non-scripted hockey is much more luck based than scripted hockey."

Not at all
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CatRaid is not online. CatRaid
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12 Aug 2014 07:24 PM
if your saying all sfers are bad at HHCL your an idiot
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123yonnd is not online. 123yonnd
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12 Aug 2014 07:33 PM
why did i just waste time reading that garbage...

SFers could probably could assemble a team in HHCL and win the championship. Like we did with every other Non-SF hockey league we have played in.
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rockstar7734 is not online. rockstar7734
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12 Aug 2014 07:52 PM
@donny
we tried that this season..
we were 6th last

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determinedstickman is not online. determinedstickman
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12 Aug 2014 07:54 PM
not all SFers are bad, I won 2 cups with the Jets
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nonrugsalt is not online. nonrugsalt
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12 Aug 2014 07:54 PM
rock you had barely any sfers u had zestypowetroll and some other scrubs then cat who carried the team
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rockstar7734 is not online. rockstar7734
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12 Aug 2014 07:56 PM
Roster:
Rock
Tgross
Rugs
Vez
Cat
Zesty
Tiny
Death at one point
Ogax
Optico
and some other ppl

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123yonnd is not online. 123yonnd
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12 Aug 2014 07:56 PM
SF is like the US. We have a large enough talent pool we probably always have enough great talent for a super-team.
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NUKE169 is not online. NUKE169
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12 Aug 2014 07:56 PM
we would have been 3rd if I would have been able to play,
btw rock tell me when the next HHCL season is.
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