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Re: Hamas AND Israel is the problem.

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Iaptus is not online. Iaptus
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25 Jul 2014 08:57 PM
If palestine could just get a new leader lol

If isreal could stop making rediculous attacks


pls pls pls world peace pls pls pls
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helloimshelley is not online. helloimshelley
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25 Jul 2014 08:58 PM
Hey stupid

It would be nice to abandon anti-Semitism and realize that Israel is on the defense.

But you probably got that from a copy of Mein Kampf. Idiot.
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CheeseForEveryone is not online. CheeseForEveryone
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25 Jul 2014 09:01 PM
It's like watching 2 kids beat each other up over a cupcake, while there's 20 more cupcakes just sitting around.

Except, you know, Israel literally doesn't let Palestinians immigrate to Israel. That kind of backs a lot of them into a corner.


My solution? Dissolve both the Israeli and Palestinian governments and create a new one that governs the entire region and shows no preference to one group or the other. And ENSURE that there's equal representation on both sides.
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rektorrekt is not online. rektorrekt
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25 Jul 2014 09:02 PM
"My solution? Dissolve both the Israeli and Palestinian governments and create a new one that governs the entire region and shows no preference to one group or the other. And ENSURE that there's equal representation on both sides.
"

If only it were that easy


"Real eyes realize real lies"
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CheeseForEveryone is not online. CheeseForEveryone
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25 Jul 2014 09:08 PM
The real problem is nationalism. People think that their race and their government matter. What matters is *humans*. You are a human first, and everything else comes after that. If people would abandon the idea that ethnicity, nationality, etc. mean something, we wouldn't even have countries. We'd just have the government of the earth, because the lines that divide countries would stop being recognized.

And yes, I do realize I'm advocating a one world order.

It's sort of pointless to dream about world peace, but consider that conflict has been getting less and less terrible over time. It's not hard to think that one day, maybe a few centuries or even millenniums off, we could have world peace.

I mean, just think for a minute. Life is an exception to entropy. Everything else slowly degenerates to it's basest, most chaotic form. But life spontaneously creates order. As the highest form of life, it's not hard to believe that we'll create the most order. Not that bad kind of order that restricts, but the kind of order that keeps peace and allows all of the best kinds of chaos to flourish while still ensuring safety.
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AccessibleMrStealth is not online. AccessibleMrStealth
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25 Jul 2014 09:45 PM
"Israel is on the defense"

so they launched a ground invasion into Gaza, and now over 600 Palestinian civilians are dead, compared with 35 Israelis

I don't suppose when the US invaded Iraq, it was "on the defense?"
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AccessibleMrStealth is not online. AccessibleMrStealth
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25 Jul 2014 09:46 PM
"My solution? Dissolve both the Israeli and Palestinian governments and create a new one that governs the entire region and shows no preference to one group or the other. And ENSURE that there's equal representation on both sides."

Or recognize the right of both to exist and create separate states of Palestine and Israel without one occupying the other
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brett3799 is not online. brett3799
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25 Jul 2014 09:48 PM
both sides are as bad as each other there both to stupid to break the tit for tat cycle of violence that their locked in
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superhawt1256 is not online. superhawt1256
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25 Jul 2014 09:49 PM
Hamas and Israel are the problems. Not the problem.
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CheeseForEveryone is not online. CheeseForEveryone
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25 Jul 2014 09:51 PM
Dude, Governments aren't people. Governments are just organizations meant to protect the people. Why is it necessary to allow both to exist? I don't see why a government should have rights.
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superhawt1256 is not online. superhawt1256
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25 Jul 2014 10:08 PM
My skull nearly collapsed when I saw the post above.
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stealthyninja588 is not online. stealthyninja588
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25 Jul 2014 10:43 PM
"Dude, Governments aren't people. Governments are just organizations meant to protect the people."
Governments are made up of people...

"My solution? Dissolve both the Israeli and Palestinian governments and create a new one that governs the entire region and shows no preference to one group or the other. And ENSURE that there's equal representation on both sides."
But what about the radicals, the islamic suicide bombers that won't settle for any less than getting the whole Israel-Palestine area for the Palestinians?

"Or recognize the right of both to exist and create separate states of Palestine and Israel without one occupying the other"
The UN already tried that. Shortly after they did it, violence followed as several of the surrounding countries declared war on Israel.

"It's sort of pointless to dream about world peace"
Ya. It can only be accomplished through dictatorial rule and conquest.
But that isn't the type of peace people think of when they say world peace, is it?

"but consider that conflict has been getting less and less terrible over time"
Because having to charge through a country on foot, fighting in hand to hand combat with your enemies in order to reach your destination, was more terrible than being about to obliterate hundreds of thousands of them with the push of a button.

"Israel is on the defense"
If they're attacking inside Gaza, they aren't on the defense.
Israel isn't on the defense; they're retaliating to try and stop their attackers from continuing to attack them.

"It's like watching 2 kids beat each other up over a cupcake, while there's 20 more cupcakes just sitting around. "
...but the other 20 cupcakes are closely guarded by 20 other kids...
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mayor21 is not online. mayor21
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25 Jul 2014 10:59 PM
- says something bad about israel -

- is called a anti-semite -

WTF?
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mathisawsome is not online. mathisawsome
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25 Jul 2014 11:13 PM
@mayor


Just a racist, feminist, Zionist troll alt. Move along.
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ghg429xl is not online. ghg429xl
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25 Jul 2014 11:14 PM
If I had my way, Palestine, Hamas, and anything anti-Israeli would be dissolved...
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superhawt1256 is not online. superhawt1256
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25 Jul 2014 11:16 PM
Ghg, you just exemplified logical fallacy.
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ghg429xl is not online. ghg429xl
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25 Jul 2014 11:22 PM
I hate to start a religious flame war, but this is a religious battle between Israel and Palestine... The Islamists are using what ever ground they have to attack and destroy their Jewish enemies and take over the land that I believe God gave them...
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ghg429xl is not online. ghg429xl
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25 Jul 2014 11:24 PM
To clarify, that God gave the Jews
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superhawt1256 is not online. superhawt1256
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25 Jul 2014 11:26 PM
Appeal to authority, logical fallacy #2
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ArcheyeOfShadowclan is not online. ArcheyeOfShadowclan
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25 Jul 2014 11:27 PM
Llamas.
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ghg429xl is not online. ghg429xl
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25 Jul 2014 11:27 PM
I request that you explain my 'logical fallacy'
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superhawt1256 is not online. superhawt1256
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25 Jul 2014 11:29 PM
You have no evidence that God exists, and you are using your belief that "God gave the land to the Jews" in place of any real argument.
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ghg429xl is not online. ghg429xl
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25 Jul 2014 11:31 PM
"that I believe"
What do you not understand about believe?
Also what do you not understand about opinions?
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superhawt1256 is not online. superhawt1256
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25 Jul 2014 11:33 PM
Ghg, there is nothing wrong with the Islamists taking the land of the Jews, because God didn't give it to them.
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ghg429xl is not online. ghg429xl
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25 Jul 2014 11:35 PM
That's your opinion, have it. But I do have the ask, what about the inevitable murder by the Islamists?
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