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Re: You should be able to CC a gun unrestricted (READ THREAD)

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RichieFart is not online. RichieFart
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25 Jul 2014 12:50 PM
CC = Concealed Carry

Honestly, I don't think you should have to get a concealed carry permit to conceal carry.
Why?
Because criminals do it anyway! They always have a concealed weapon when they go in and rob a store. They are already getting like 30 years for that, and the bringing up that he illegally concealed carry will only add maybe 5 years to his sentence, which really doesn't make a difference.

Let me give you an example:
Let's say Rob lives in a bad area. He's almost under the poverty line, and he has two jobs to make sure he can provide food for his family. Recently, Rob bought a Glock 19. His state gives out concealed carry permits, but it is a lengthy process (8 hour training course, lots of paper work, ect). Open carry? Nah, Rob doesn't want to scare the socialist soccer moms, and the criminals would target him because of his gun out there in the open. So Rob decides to conceal carry his Glock 19 ILLEGALLY, for his own safety. One day he is walking back from work, and a group muggers start following him, and he sees that they have pulled out guns and knives (That they were carrying illegally!). Before they even get a foot away from Rob, he turns around, and shoots the entire group, killing all but one (That one became paralyzed). Because he was carrying illegally, he gets charged and gets 5 years (I don't know what the usual punishment is) in jail. Now, his family doesn't have someone to put food on the table.


Before you bring up that "Oh it will be the wild west!" bull crap, take this into consideration:
Criminals don't follow the law, and they sure as hell won't get a CCW permit if they are planning to break the law by robbing or killing somebody already!
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CatBoy1235 is not online. CatBoy1235
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25 Jul 2014 12:51 PM
So just because a criminal does it means you should to?

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RichieFart is not online. RichieFart
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25 Jul 2014 12:53 PM
"So just because a criminal does it means you should to?"

Look at the Rob scenario. There's a lot of people in that position.

Adding on to the Rob scenario:
If hid state had unrestricted concealed carry, he wouldn't be in jail.
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jonny1367 is not online. jonny1367
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25 Jul 2014 12:53 PM
So people can buy a gun, and walk around with it secretly without needing any permission/permits

Genius 10/10
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CatBoy1235 is not online. CatBoy1235
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25 Jul 2014 12:55 PM
But a criminal will do what's illegal.

Do you want to be a criminal?

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RichieFart is not online. RichieFart
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25 Jul 2014 12:56 PM
"But a criminal will do what's illegal.

Do you want to be a criminal?"

You wouldn't be a criminal if there was unrestricted conceal carry
Quite a few states do it
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jonny1367 is not online. jonny1367
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25 Jul 2014 12:58 PM
Of course you wouldn't be a criminal if you could secretly carry a gun legally without a permit

But that's like saying if people could kidnap/kill anyone legally, then they wouldn't be criminals
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CatBoy1235 is not online. CatBoy1235
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25 Jul 2014 12:58 PM
Maybe not using guns could have made the situation better for "Rob"

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RichieFart is not online. RichieFart
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25 Jul 2014 01:00 PM
"Of course you wouldn't be a criminal if you could secretly carry a gun legally without a permit

But that's like saying if people could kidnap/kill anyone legally, then they wouldn't be criminals"

Carry a gun =/= kidnapping

"Maybe not using guns could have made the situation better for "Rob""

But he would be dead if he didn't have that gun
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CatBoy1235 is not online. CatBoy1235
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25 Jul 2014 01:02 PM
Either way.

It would have ended bad for him.

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superlegobuilder88 is not online. superlegobuilder88
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25 Jul 2014 01:02 PM
Can't you already?
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jonny1367 is not online. jonny1367
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25 Jul 2014 01:03 PM
I'm not saying that carrying a gun=kidnapping

I'm saying that sure, making something bad legal would make people not be criminals

But that doesn't make it any less bad
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Darknights4321 is not online. Darknights4321
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25 Jul 2014 01:04 PM
Hey let's let random people carry guns without permission I means sure they're totally NOT suspicious.
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RichieFart is not online. RichieFart
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25 Jul 2014 01:06 PM
"Either way.

It would have ended bad for him."

yup

"Can't you already?"

In Wyoming, Alaska, Arizona, Vermont, and Missouri, you can conceal carry a firearm unrestricted.
In most states, you need a permit.

"Hey let's let random people carry guns without permission I means sure they're totally NOT suspicious."

criminals already do
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superlegobuilder88 is not online. superlegobuilder88
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25 Jul 2014 01:07 PM
"Hey let's let random people carry guns"
"they're totally NOT suspicious."

It's for self defense you dolt.
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Darknights4321 is not online. Darknights4321
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25 Jul 2014 01:07 PM
….Just because criminals carry guns illegally shouldn't mean we carry guns illegally.
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RichieFart is not online. RichieFart
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25 Jul 2014 01:09 PM
"….Just because criminals carry guns illegally shouldn't mean we carry guns illegally."

My point is that carrying a concealed weapon should be legal and unrestricted, so people who don't have the time to go through a permit can carry for self defense
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CatBoy1235 is not online. CatBoy1235
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25 Jul 2014 01:09 PM
Of course if it was legalized then it wouldn't be illegal.

But someone could die either way.

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RichieFart is not online. RichieFart
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25 Jul 2014 01:12 PM
"Of course if it was legalized then it wouldn't be illegal.

But someone could die either way."

People already die from criminals illegally concealed carry
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CatBoy1235 is not online. CatBoy1235
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25 Jul 2014 01:13 PM
But legalizing wouldn't stop the criminals.

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RichieFart is not online. RichieFart
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25 Jul 2014 01:14 PM
"But legalizing wouldn't stop the criminals."

And permits don't stop criminals anyway.
If someone is already gonna break the law, do you think they care if they break another one?
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CatBoy1235 is not online. CatBoy1235
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25 Jul 2014 01:15 PM
I don't know.

Rob did kill a man.

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RichieFart is not online. RichieFart
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25 Jul 2014 01:16 PM
Rob was defending himself
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CatBoy1235 is not online. CatBoy1235
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25 Jul 2014 01:18 PM
I don't know.

He did kill a man.

Not sure if the "Socialist soccer moms" will like that.

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RichieFart is not online. RichieFart
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25 Jul 2014 01:19 PM
"I don't know.

He did kill a man.

Not sure if the "Socialist soccer moms" will like that."

It was him or the criminals
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